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Penguins - with help - down Panthers in OT




An Evgeny Malkin shot which rebounds to Sidney Crosby in overtime during a four minute penalty to red-hot Nathan Horton for high-sticking while falling to the ice? Call it a winner. Cats get one point to close the evening out with 23.

Third jersey night was a lot of fun anyway, what with the buildup and all (yes...blame may be sent my way).

Absolute garbage with the Horton call which led to the Crosby gamewinner, but that's the shakes. Points just keep on coming.

Much more to follow...

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I hated it too but it was the right call! Hortons intent or lack of intent was irrelevent, unintentional high sticks get called all the time. Horton committed the high-stick and he “injured” the player, therefore 4 minutes. It would have been unfair to pittsburgh if he got away with it.

by pukeoncops on Nov 23, 2009 10:42 PM EST reply actions  

If anything, it should have been 3 on 3 for the first two minutes, since he was checked & didn’t have the puck.

by CLG_74 on Nov 23, 2009 11:19 PM EST up reply actions  

you said it best whale. that’s the shakes, but the points just keep coming.

by alterego6487 on Nov 23, 2009 10:47 PM EST reply actions  

It's not the high sticking call

It’s all the uncalled cross-checks and slashes all night. McCabe goes off for interference, but the Pens player who slashed him after the whistle doesn’t get called.

Florida Panthers: Giving the league a punching bag since 2000.

by Johnny B on Nov 23, 2009 11:00 PM EST reply actions  

Being a lawyer by trade, lets take a look at the rules (as printed at NHL.com):

60.1 High-sticking – A "high stick" is one which is carried above the height of the opponent’s shoulders. Players and goalkeepers must be in control and responsible for their stick. However, a player or goalkeeper is permitted accidental contact on an opponent if the act is committed as a normal windup or follow through of a shooting motion. A wild swing at a bouncing puck would not be considered a normal windup or follow through and any contact to an opponent above the height of the shoulders shall be penalized accordingly.

60.2 Minor Penalty – Any contact made by a stick on an opponent above the shoulders is prohibited and a minor penalty shall be imposed.

60.3 Double-minor Penalty – When a player or goalkeeper carries or holds any part of his stick above the shoulders of the opponent so that injury results, the Referee shall assess a double-minor penalty for all contact that causes an injury, whether accidental or careless, in the opinion of the Referee.

When you look at 60.3 Horton did not carry or hold his stick above the shoulders of the opponent. The biggest problem with the rule, as printed, is that the wording is terrible. The worst Horton should’ve gotten was a minor since it doesn’t exempt accidental contact – it says any contact by a stick.

Wonder if Sexton will have the guts to file a complaint with the league about the officiating? You really do have to do that occasionally, heck most of the Canadian teams have the letters pre-written seemingly.

by coasterg on Nov 23, 2009 11:07 PM EST reply actions  

what bothers me was that the penalty wasn’t called as it happens, but after the fact…..

by CLG_74 on Nov 23, 2009 11:18 PM EST up reply actions  

No offense, but the current high stick rule is 60 (not 61 as you cited), per the NHL website:

Here’s the key in this, highlighted by me is 61.b.i:

Assess a double minor penalty for all contact that causes an injury, whether accidental or careless, in the opinion of the Referee.

There’s no doubt about Horton’s intent, but there’s just as little doubt his stick caused accidental injury (drawing blood).

The bottom line is, accidental or not, a player has to be responsible for his stick at all times and Horton got high and struck an opponent. That’s why the call was made.

Pensburgh.com

You come at the king, you best not miss.

by Hooks Orpik on Nov 23, 2009 11:40 PM EST up reply actions  

good work coasterg, i was wrong it should have only been 2 minutes

by pukeoncops on Nov 23, 2009 11:22 PM EST reply actions  

Blood was drawn and the unofficial rule is always a double-minor if the player bleeds.

Pensburgh.com

You come at the king, you best not miss.

by Hooks Orpik on Nov 23, 2009 11:36 PM EST up reply actions  

And that 2 minutes should’ve been shared by Orpik for his hit on Horton since he did not have the puck.

by coasterg on Nov 23, 2009 11:25 PM EST reply actions  

The third jerseys are outstanding.

They remind me of Maine’s sweaters.

Editor of The Copper & Blue, and leader of The Cult Of Hartikainen.

by Derek Zona on Nov 24, 2009 12:01 AM EST reply actions  

Panthers'OT penalty

The high-sticking call was a joke. Look where Horton’s stick was when he struck Orpik- the butt end of his stick was almost on the ground. He was almost on his butt from Orpik’s check. And BTW, the referee DID NOT make the call- one od the linesmen made the call.

by Bailey17 on Nov 24, 2009 12:30 AM EST reply actions  

It doesn’t matter where the player is, nor where the butt end of his stick is….The bottom line is the player must be in control of his stick at all time and if he contacts an opponent, that’s a penalty.

Sucked that it ended like that, but those are the rules. Dem da breaks.

Also that penalty didn’t affect the fact the Panthers had a two goal lead with 20 minutes left to play….

Pensburgh.com

You come at the king, you best not miss.

by Hooks Orpik on Nov 24, 2009 12:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Had any player hit Crosby without the puck and the same situation happened the interference would have been called and probably no call on Crosby. That’s just how it goes. It was the same for MJ and we down here know that D-Wade gets the same kind of treatment.

by milhouse on Nov 24, 2009 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

That’s not true, case in point: Sid’s first period high sticking penalty.

There is a knack to flying: it's learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.

by Sid the captain on Nov 24, 2009 8:32 PM EST up reply actions  

my bad, i missed the first 2 periods because of work.

by milhouse on Nov 24, 2009 10:35 PM EST up reply actions  

How long before players start carrying razor blades in their gloves and cutting themselves for the extra 2 minutes (ala WWE)?

As far as the high stick, I could swear that I saw almost the same thing happen in a Panthers game earlier this season (during regulation) and nothing was called, so it shouldn’t have been called in OT.

What a crappy way to lose.

by IceCat69 on Nov 24, 2009 1:11 AM EST reply actions  

How about this? Rather than complain about a call that happened in OT that WAS a penalty, regardless of whether Orpik goes off with him or not, we discuss how/why the Panthers got completely outplayed in the third. THAT’s what allowed overtime win to swing in favor of Pittsburgh.

The third period shot total was 16-3 in favor of Pittsburgh. The Penguins handed the Panthers what felt like countless PP opportunities in the first period and Florida couldn’t even cross the blue line. The Panthers went 0-for-4 on the PP for the night.

As reigning champs in the shots allowed department (and still 30th in the league this year) it shouldn’t come as any surprise to Panthers fans that Vokoun stopped 42 shots and you still only get one point. It’s not a discredit to him. If you want to see what my opinion was even before this game than I suggest you check out my preview. I mentioned the Panthers are better than their record indicates and I still stand by that even after this game.

I’m not trying to rub this in. After all, you still got a point. And I’ll even be the first to tell you that up until the third period the Pens had no right winning this game. They were outplayed in every aspect and didn’t look like they had life at all. But in the end I think rather than complain about a call that was and IS justified by the rule book you should instead look back on all the chances your team had to put this thing away early on.

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by FrankD on Nov 24, 2009 2:07 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah, well I think calls that are & aren’t made because of whether it is legal or not, may be a bitter pill to swallow at times; ie Booth’s nasty hit & lack of suspension because of a “legal” hit. The fact that the penalty wasn’t even called right away but AFTER the fact is a little frustrating, since why didn’t an interference call get made, since Horton didn’t have the puck? Why wasn’t it at least a 3 on 3 for the first two minutes???

by CLG_74 on Nov 24, 2009 7:39 AM EST up reply actions  

The joke of the situation is that whether you want to quote chapter and verse of the NHL rulebook or not, the fact is that you will never, let me repeat that, NEVER, see the Pens go down a man for nearly the entire overtime in Mellon Arena on a call that hardly anybody saw. In fact, I would argue that the back referee looks like he was watching the play on replay and did not make the call.

I don’t disagree with the many points about how the Panthers blew the lead, how their power play is still impotent, how they give up shots on goal like communion on Sunday. But, the overriding story is the Horton penalty in overtime because it definitively decided the game. There was no way, unless Jesus H. Christ was lacing them up in the baby blue, that Florida was killing that penalty. Not a 4-on-3 for four minutes with Malkin, Crosby, Guerin, etc out there. Everybody in the rink knew it was over when four minutes went up on the board and THAT’S why Panther fans are upset, because it, in effect, decided the game.

by drscruf on Nov 24, 2009 7:45 AM EST reply actions  

Ugh, what a horrible way to lose. It was a great game, spoilt by what was a pretty poor call. If the NHL rulebook says Horton is to blame for that ridiculous ‘high stick’ then fair enough – it’s a terrible rule. But being checked from behind when the puck was nowhere near him— isn’t that a penalty too?! I’m so confused.

And what made it worse was sticking him in the box for the remaining 4 minutes of overtime — like drscruf said in their post above me, that would NEVER happen to a team like Pittsburgh in a home game.

I thought we played really well today, except for that clueless third period. What happened, did we run out of gas or did we just begin to accept the inevitable?? I thought our defence around the goal had been great all game, but in that third period they were playing like the first half of the season again.

P.S. I’ve changed my mind about the new jersey, I think it’s great :)

by LondonDave on Nov 24, 2009 3:32 PM EST reply actions  

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