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Capitals destroy Panthers 6-2; does it matter?

 

As an ardent Cats fan and dedicated blogger who covers the Panthers, a recap of Thursday's embarrassment in Washington would prove to be a pointless exercise. No offense to the Capitals, who played a masterful game in all zones; it's simply time I vented.

So for that reason (and about a dozen others) I'll let loose what's on my mind.

Star-divide

We'll get the positives out of the way first: I firmly believe - and will defend to the end - that every member of the Florida Panthers cares.

All of them has a burning desire to win. Each will go to war for the other, and do everything within their power to be victorious; against all odds and deficits, to bring two points to his club in the standings and carry this team to a place it hasn't tasted since before many of their fans were able to walk independently: the postseason. We've all seen the heart and soul each of them bring to the table every game. The new ownership appears to be solidly behind the hockey operation - at least in words at this early stage - which was highly questionable during the latter portion of Alan Cohen's regime. Coach Peter DeBoer is a winner, just not yet at this level. General manager Randy Sexton has presumably done all he's been allowed to do.

I've spoken, emailed, and IM'd with many employees of the organization. They'd stop just short of giving their first (and in some cases second) child if it would help the club win. Dedicated to a fault; even those who were thrown to the ground by previous regimes. And there are more than a few.

This team has a lot of fans within - and so many more just outside the large bay windows ringing the BAC.

On the negative side: this team sucks. As currently constituted, they cannot compete in this league, much less their own division. Speaking of the Southeast, here's their record: 1-6 against the division, the lone win coming against a reeling Carolina club. This is no way to blaze a glorious trail to, well, anything even approaching prosperity. Got to be better news within the stats, right? Attend: through Wednesday's games (and it's worse now), Florida was 24th in wins, 5th in losses, 21st in goals scored per game, 27th in goals allowed, and it snowballs from there.

They can't hold a lead...in any period. Power plays should be declined, as has been suggested time and again. They ended a five-game winless streak Wednesday by blowing four two-goal leads and getting lucky - yeah, I said it - in the shootout after Stephen Weiss won it in the fifth round. Fifth round. He scored a natural hattrick in regulation and was shelved until the fifth round. What is that??? Which blackboard was DeBoer reading from?

Far too many nights they spot the opposition a freebie lead, which typically ends up being too high a mountain to overcome. Leaving out the anomaly that was the 3 for 3 performance against Colorado (get the impression the Avs' collective brain just wasn't in it?), the Cats can't buy a special teams goal. They did against Washington on Thursday, in the form of a shortie, but along with 75-cent seats, the Panthers are quite generous.

What about individuals? "Cats aren't tough enough!" we screamed, leading to the re-acquisition of hard-hitting forward Steve MacIntyre. Got his claws on Donald Brashear and Colton Orr, but following that quick spell, he was reassigned to Rochester. Smells a lot like quickie fan-favorite Wade Belak. We're all aware DeBoer does not prefer giving a roster spot to 3-4 minute guys who won't contribute in any other way, but the Cats have been pounded otherwise. Think Weiss or Steven Reinprecht is gonna go with some of the monsters employed around the East? And what of Mike Duco, just called up from the "A", getting a billion penalty minutes against the Caps (at a point which ultimately didn't matter on the scoreboard)...wanna bet he's on a one-way Greyhound back to rural New York?

Lost in all the recently announced partnerships - imagine an empannage embedded anywhere but at BankAtlantic Center - is the hockey team. Dreams of shopping, dancing, dining, and who-knows-what-else have overshadowed the presence of the item that made all of the dreaming possible.

Florida's hockey fans deserve far better than what they've been handed. We continue to tune in, show up, buy the goods, shout across the web, tell our friends, recruit coworkers, blog till we're blue, and endlessly accept the manure that's been strewn our way. And there's been a lot of it.

Why? Because we're hockey fans. Slavishly loyal and fiercely proprietary over "our" team, we're no different than any other group of followers in the NHL. Treat us as such. The players deserve it, the employees of the club deserve it, and the fans deserve it.

We're fed up, we're tired, and we've got lots of options to spend our money on in this part of the world. For one small moment in time, give us a winner.

It may just be cost-effective.

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Great Post

This organization is certainly in need of a MAJOR shake up. Somethings got to happen to spark this club. Perhaps getting lucky in a draft, ie. Kovulchuk, Spezza, both going above Weiss but just being that close to two future stars. Or trading the first pick and passing on Rick Nash to get “Mumbles” at number three, or the following year trading the first again to get Horton over Fleury, and Staal (2 stanley cup winners) Not to mention missing Ovechkin by 2 days on his birth certificate. Which brings us to 2004, Ovechkin and and Malkin go one and 2…. no such luck for us when we have top 3 picks. It goes on and on, we just never get the breaks with getting the right slots in those great drafts, or the players just arent there when we have the top pick.

by milhouse on Dec 3, 2009 11:08 PM EST reply actions  

As a Caps fan, I was hoping for more Penalty kills. A few more and Matt Bradley may have had a hat trick tonight. With all due respect to the Panthers and their great fans, that was awful. It was as if the Caps were up a man even though they were down one. If Ovie played it may have been worse(Good thing someone’s Papa works with Bettman). The one guy I felt for was the rookie goalie. No, not Varly. The Cat goalie who got crushed because his AHL team in front of him thought they were playing in Hershey.

by RivetteSGR on Dec 3, 2009 11:32 PM EST reply actions  

Wow, I don’t even know what to say to this. Stay classy, RivetteSGR.

Lobbies: Green, Carlson

by CapsFan2020 on Dec 4, 2009 12:18 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Same here. I’m all for making your points why FLA lost, but that was over the top.

A man gotta have a code

by CP2Devil on Dec 4, 2009 1:30 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

BRA-VO!

Excellent writing. Just excellent!

by drscruf on Dec 3, 2009 11:53 PM EST reply actions  

And to think it’s only December. I’d almost wish we were worse off than we are instead of hanging around that 4-6 points back of 8th spot we seem to relish. That way at least that small semblance of hope that I cling to, and have clung to the last 10 years, would finally disappear. But it’s so painfully obvious, this is a bad team, bad bad bad. Bad players, bad offense, bad defense, bad special teams. Just nowhere near the talent needed to put out a competitve hockey team for more than 2-3 games at a time. 1 win in our last 7. And that was that atrocity last night against Colorado.

And then there’s coaching. Pete DeBoer’s handling of Clemmensen has to be questioned. 2nd time with the quick hook. I understand the 2nd one was weak, but 2-0 to the Caps in the first period is hardly a game out of reach. Considering Salak, who was torched in his only other NHL action, played last night in freaking Winnipeg, flew to DC this morning, and probably had about 2 hours sleep is the backup… Here you go rook, hope you’re ready to spark our team! Keep us in this one against one of the best offenses in the NHL…

The only reason Salak should have seen the ice was Clemmensen getting hurt. Just seems like panic from DeBoer. Again. If you want this guy to be a viable backup, he has to get time. He has to have a chance to regain confidence. He knows it was a bad goal, let him ride it out, make some more stops. God knows he HAS to be the better option. If the Caps put 6 up on Clemmensen, fine, bench him down the road, tell Salak he’s going to play on a couple days rest and let him get ready. But to pull Clemmer after 2 goals was a bad, bad call. It’s getting harder and harder to back DeBoer. After keeping Weiss out of the shootout until round 5 last night, to the handling of his goalies (even going back to last year)… On one hand, he probably has the least amount of talent in the league. But the players CAN play, they can win ugly. But the only consistent thing about these guys is how inconsistent they are night in and night out, period to period even. I’m not so sure about this guy anymore.

Sorry for the length.

by Karl Selvig on Dec 3, 2009 11:55 PM EST reply actions  

Gotta agree. I felt sorry for Salak. Why throw a rook into that situation much less one who played less than 24 hrs. before? I get it if it was 5-0, but 2-0 at that early point in the game makes no sense. If Vokoun was the back up and you wanted to spark your team, maybe, though I’d have still given my team a little longer to settle down against a Caps team who isn’t good at holding leads. The kid isn’t ready and to put him in situations like this is just dumb for the short and long term.

A man gotta have a code

by CP2Devil on Dec 4, 2009 1:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Especially against the Caps, an offensive powerhouse. If Clemmensen gave up 2 to the leafs sure maybe pull him , I still don’t recommend it but that is more reasonable. But throwing the poor kid out there after he lets two in against a great offense? In the beginning of the season when Varly was having trouble, he could let 4 goals in and still win the game because the caps would score 5.

Was a puzzling move for sure.

by Bman21212 on Dec 4, 2009 2:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Considering Salak, who was torched in his only other NHL action, played last night in freaking Winnipeg, flew to DC this morning, and probably had about 2 hours sleep is the backup…

This is incorrect. Salak was riding the pine in Sunrise for Wednesday night’s game vs the Avalanche: Game 396 Roster

by OldDave on Dec 4, 2009 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Yup, you’re right of course. Thanks for the correction. I musta been looking at Rochester’s Dec 1st game in Winnipeg, didn’t realize they played there 2 nights in a row.

by Karl Selvig on Dec 4, 2009 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

well said Whale. there’s the five or so of us here constantly that live for this embarassment. every night there’s a game, i turn on my feed and go “its time for the rollercoaster” because every night there’s crazy emotions that this team evokes. but really, they’re just things i scream at the screen.

send this off to yormark, siegel and viner. they say they want our feedback. they say they’re there to listen. let’s see if they get it? the money’s there…but the people aren’t. in the stands. in the offices. or on the ice. its amazing that this team is in the top half of the league in payroll and could perform this poorly. the marlins manage to fight for a playoff spot every season, and even win two championships, with a measley nothing payroll. how can this team not even field a team remotely resembling a Stanley Cup contender while being at the cap?

no one on this team should be a first liner. and that’s the first problem….

by alterego6487 on Dec 4, 2009 1:28 AM EST reply actions  

& clemmensen is clearly not the goaltender we thought we were getting in July, poor defense or not

by alterego6487 on Dec 4, 2009 1:32 AM EST up reply actions  

i feel your pain and i am pissed as well but as long as this team is only 5-6 points from the 6th seed i refuse to give up… the teams that make runs get hot in the 2nd half if the goal is unreachable then so be it but they are still in it you dont have to be in 1st to make an impact in the playoffs case in point look at where boston ended up last year and have nothing to show for it… being at the top of the standings to me personally is over rated because those teams get to complacent and cocky thinking that they will roll thru playoffs when a lower seed team comes up and takes it from them..
so yeah its ok to be pissed to say they suck i do so as well but its not yet over look at the caps yes they have OV8 and much better talent but i dont think i need to remind any one where the caps were last year and just started to burn it up in the 2nd half im not saying or comparing this team to the caps but when there is still a chance for something to happen i tend to wait it out to see what happens the winners and losers are basically decided by the trade deadline when you see teams dump salaries or pick up help for the playoffs so with that said until that asterik is beside the cats name and they are officially eliminated i wont give up hope.. dont forget it hasnt been that long since they went on that small winning streak so keep cool keep supporting even though its hard because you never know..

by SNOOP97DAWG on Dec 4, 2009 1:36 AM EST reply actions  

It was actually 2 years ago, but the statement is still true. We got a new coach, a new goalie, and manage to win something like 14 of the last 15 games. It was crazy. We didn’t even know how much talent we had on our team. We had Mike Green playing conservative defense. We didn’t change too many players, just a few and a better system and voila, success! Went out in the first round, but hey we got there. It’s the first step.

Look at the Penguins last year. All that talent, but almost missed the playoffs midway through the year. And they seemed to do half decently once they go to them last year ;)

by Bman21212 on Dec 4, 2009 2:11 AM EST up reply actions  

We Suck

Perhaps I was too light on DeBoer yesterday morning. Pulling the goalie was a stupid move. Clemmensen is shaky, but putting in a kid that just played in Winnipeg was not a great idea.

I think perhaps our players are a bunch of head cases. I don’t know, but they’re ridiculous levels of inconsistent. If they showed up every night and lost it would be one thing, but they don’t even show up every night and when they do they have trouble holding leads and playing to win.

A shakeup is definitely in order. The problem is that we need to move our “best” players for it to work and lose some with the kids. You know, the ones who try really hard every time they’re on the ice and get rewarded with a third period benching because Pete DeB decided he wanted to roll three lines (for no discernible reason). The guys don’t look defeated when they step out on the ice like when JM was behind the bench, but it’s still not good.

Messrs. Sigel and Vine, please understand one thing: if you fire the coach, the whole staff needs to go. Clean house and start again. If you’re going to change the culture of losing, you have to start over. But now is still too early.

I think some trades may be in order, but it doesn’t seem like many teams are in a trading mood and the biggest potential deals are going to be trading one of our problems for someone else’s (Blake, Spezza, etc.). But if he thinks he’s going to the playoffs this year, Sexton should think long and hard about grabbing Marty Biron from the Isles when DiPietro’s back and sending Clemmensen on a one-way ticket to Rochester with Koistenen.

Pete, you really need to think about what you’re doing and the messages you’re sending. I’m not going to let up on the end of that Avs game because I think you’re responsible for the blown lead. Period. Never, especially with this group, play not to lose. I switched the Panthers game off last night because I couldn’t stand it anymore and we flipped over and watched the Sabres destroy the Canadiens. Sure, they lost a four-geal lead and watched it dwindle to a two-goal lead. Then they proceeded to make it a three-goal lead with about five minutes left. Did they sit back and try not to lose? No, they kept pushing and made it a four-goal lead again with less than a minute left. Yes, up by three, less than a minute left and they’re still trying to score more goals. That’s how a winner plays.

And to everyone bitching about how Vokoun isn’t a “real” goalie and we should get one: Look at the last two games and think about how many of those 11 goals Vokoun would have let in. You can’t rely on your goalie to bail you out every night and we do then complain that he’s not good enough. You all need to watch more hockey if you think this. Vokoun is a top 10 goalie in this league. Our defense is terrible and he keeps us competitive.

Florida Panthers: Giving the league a punching bag since 2000.

by Johnny B on Dec 4, 2009 8:25 AM EST reply actions  

Well Said

Very nice post. And absolutely right on as my feelings are the same. While I didn’t get to see the game, the text messages kept me informed of the disaster and once I saw that Clemmensen was replaced after 2 goals I thought HUH? Not fair to leave him in for 7 last time, then take him out after 2 and put Salak in.

DeBoer’s choices are becoming very questionnable and I think he is starting to push the panic button.
His assistants have become worthless.

All in all this roster which is made of 6 forwards who shpould be on everyone else’s third line’s and 6 forwards who belong either on a 4th line or the AHL needs a shakeup. Can’t wait till the trade deadline. Season is slipping away.

by The Rat Trick on Dec 4, 2009 8:32 AM EST reply actions  

Excellent post. I have the same sentiments as you when it comes to this Panthers team. I had to turn off the game last night after it hit the 3-0 mark because I was so disappointed.

Unfortunately we’re going to see blame shifted to the scheduling and travel factors where it should firmly rest on the shoulders of the coaching staff and players. I understand the impact of a grueling schedule, but as a professional you play through it to the best of your ability.

I haven’t given up on the players yet. We do need a shakeup however, for a team that has such a high salary we aren’t getting return on investment. Someone else’s problem may be our diamond in the rough, it happens consistently enough in the NHL that I’d hope we could be the beneficiary of it once instead of the team losing the player (see any number of traded Panthers as examples).

I don’t know how you drill consistency into a team but we see flashes of potential all the time, its just extremely inconsistent. My vain hope is that when Booth finally returns he is able to pick up where he left off (after proper conditioning and play time of course). By the trade deadline I feel that we’re going to see some major movements, I just hope they are right ones.

My season tickets are on the line this year – I doubt I’m going to renew unless I see some major commitment by the organization to make the necessary changes to provide a competitive and enjoyable team. I’m tired of the decade of fan misery I’ve, and other hardcore, Panther fans have suffered.

by coasterg on Dec 4, 2009 9:59 AM EST reply actions  

I feel your pain, Litterbox. My last blog entry was written after we’d dropped 5 straight, and I was reeling from the lack of offense and special teams play. The Colorado near-miss had me wondering if any of my loyalty was worth it.

But, and here’s the thing that keeps me going despite our terrible track record; we’re only three points out of a playoff spot, and we have had a significant portion of our roster occupied by minor-leaguers for a large part of the season… Last night we had 4 minor-leaguers on the ice, including an undersized rookie goalie. Salak did an admirable job under the circumstances. For a good portion of the night he had to face the Caps with only 3 or 4 Panthers in front of him due to the Caps’ numerous power plays. That shorty was a dagger through the team’s heart, though. Clemmensen, who I was happy to get last summer, has played horribly. He has given up A LOT of goals. 5 to Dallas, 7 to Washington, 5 to Colorado, and that’s not to mention the greasers he’s given up before getting yanked in favor of Vokoun and Salak.

Again, it’s incredible to think where this rag-tag bunch of scrappers could be if they were able to hold onto leads. I’m certain we’d be near the top of the league in points right now… It all boils down to confidence, and we currently have NONE of it. If we ever find it, we’re going to be a team that wins games.

I look at the schedule and realize we have a long way to go. It seems hopeless after games like last night’s, but in reality we’re not far off the pace. Columbus, Montreal and Philadelphia got bombed last night, and they had their regular lineups out there. Even the mighty Red Wings got spanked. We’re a winning streak away from moving up a little bit, and hopefully our guys will look at the standings and see that…

by VanMurph on Dec 4, 2009 10:04 AM EST reply actions  

I didn’t see the game, but I have a feeling I know how it went.

The Caps were minus their best player, which often leads to great effort in focus in the short term. The Panthers were tired and sleep deprived.

That’s a brutal combination. So I suspect your guys are better than they looked last night.

"You're gonna eat that g**d**n Koho, three!"

by fat_daddyo on Dec 4, 2009 10:09 AM EST reply actions  

Great Article!

You took the words right out of my mouth!

by Panthers Underground on Dec 4, 2009 10:20 AM EST reply actions  

Not that I like to give encouragement to a SE rival, but I wouldn’t give up on your team yet. A back-to-back away game, the third in four nights without your starting keeper and against an angry Washington squad. That’s basically a recipe for disaster. And despite losing 5 out of 6, the Cats are still just a couple of points out of a playoff spot. This season has a long way to go and if I recall, Florida came on last season like gangbusters after the All-Star break. Keep the faith.

by b.orr4 on Dec 4, 2009 10:54 AM EST reply actions  

This comment is right on.

In addition, Booth and Stillman have been out with injuries. I read on here that Stillman and Reinprecht have some nice chemistry, so getting him back could help more than you might first think.

Last year’s team missed the playoffs by one point. You get in, Vokoun gets hot, you never know what will happen.

by BudGHG on Dec 4, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Whale, as a Caps fan, we’ve seen this movie… as recently as 2006, in fact, and that was with Alex Ovechkin in the lineup. The point is that things are rough, but it doesn’t mean they can’t get better. Sure, it helps to have a generational talent in the lineup, but the Caps drafted astutely with the picks they got when they blew up the team in the 2003-2004 season and their own picks.

Eric Fehr has battled injuries in his young career, but he has points in six of his last seven games. he’s finally giving us a glimpse of the 50-plus goal scorer he was in juniors.

Nicklas Backstrom was drafted behind Erik Johnson, Jonathan Toews, and Jordan Staal in 2006. He might end up being the best playmaker of his generation that doesn’t wear black and Vegas gold.

Mike Green was a bit of an afterthought on a ghastly Saskatoon Blades team that went 7-52-11-2 in the season before Green was drafted.

Tomas Fleischmann was the return for trading Robert Lang to Detroit, who was leading the league in scoring when the Caps traded him.

Karl Alzner was drafted behind Patrick Kane, James van Riemsdyk, Thomas Hickey, and Kyle Turris in the 2007 draft. But he’s been a winner at every stop in his young career and will be a solid defender for a decade or more.

It isn’t all about the big star. And if the Panthers can settle on a plan — not unlike what the Caps did in 2004 — it could be a pretty good team in two or three years. But there will be pain to endure in the meantime.

If you've read this far...seek help.

by ThePeerless on Dec 4, 2009 11:22 AM EST reply actions  

The trouble is though the Panthers are already in trouble. Trying to rebuild may kill the franchise.

by red army line on Dec 5, 2009 4:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Considering all the stuff about Phoenix, Nashville, etc, recently. And Washington and Pittsburgh almost got to that point as well.

by red army line on Dec 5, 2009 4:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Anyone remember the word accountability? Deboer sure doesn’t. A 3 year old could come up with a better defensive system. The puck and player movement up ice has been hideous, our zone entries haven’t worked all season, the cycles aren’t working, how many of our goals have been products of the system? Maybe Pete should show his players a little RESPECT and quit all this “we’re not good enough to play a certain way” garbage! We have NHL calibre players (mostly), superstars aren’t the only ones who can make basic passes. Look at the teams who beat us, they don’t do it with fancy “skill” moves all game, they beat us with their superior on-ice communication and organization which are products of effective preparation not puck handling skill. Makes you wonder what Pete actually does in practice.

by pukeoncops on Dec 4, 2009 3:50 PM EST reply actions  

Wow you guys sound like Amerks fans from last year. Hopefully the new owners will shake things up in the off season. I mean, managing partners.

Have Gorten or Richards talked about this stuff at all? I only read their blogs and very little talk of a meltdown seems to be occurring.

by keithwozniak on Dec 4, 2009 6:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Gorten’s blog gets savaged by the haters. Richards usually segues into baseball or college football. Fact is, you’re probably reading the best Panthers blog out there already in this one.

by drscruf on Dec 5, 2009 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

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