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Jay Bouwmeester remains with Florida Panthers

 

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Ninety minutes have gone by since the deadline passed, and it may be safe at this point to declare Jay Bouwmeester will play out the season in Cat unis. There has been no official confirmation from the club or league - and deals are still being revealed - but let's go ahead and call it a done (no) deal.

Philadelphia pushed hard to get under the salary cap in order to obtain Jay, and ultimately pulled out of the bidding. Vancouver was the last rumored participant, with names such as Bieksa, Raymond, and draft picks tossed about.

AGAIN: there has been no official confirmation, but at this late period, The Box is satisfied that Bouwmeester will sleep in his own bed in Sunrise tonight.

 


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 Did Jacques Martin make the right call? We won't know for a few weeks. This is quite probably the one "move" that defines JM's managerial career when all is said and done.

Personally I applaud the decision, when only a month ago I cried for assets in return. Flip-flopping aside, the point of contention for me was the realization that this organization needs a playoff run and the advertising and ticket sales, as well as attention, that success brings. The Martin/DeBoer tandem has - more and more - shown consistency and a willingness to Stick To The Plan.

This is not a Don Waddell, gut-Atlanta's-future cash-grab. Congrats, JM. Go Cats.

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Panthers GM Jacques Martin: Winner or Loser?
Winner...based on FLA's unique market situation, he made the best business decision
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Loser...Damn the playoffs: we're gonna lose Jay fer nuthin'
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I think they’d have made the playoffs with or without Jay, especially if they got some NHL talent in return (look at the haul the ’Yotes got for Morris, and ratchet it up several notches).

This team isn’t Jay Bouwmeester. It’s a solid group of defensemen, a handful of decent forwards and two very good goaltenders. But it’s also not a team that’s going to win the Cup. So if they missed out on a chance to cash in one the biggest asset at the deadline for potentially nothing, they’re big losers.

Now they need to re-sign him or deal his rights pre-July 1, and the team isn’t in nearly as strong a bargaining position in those two scenarios are they were today.

My two cents.

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by J.P. on Mar 4, 2009 6:05 PM EST reply actions  

PHX did get a surprising haul. From a conference opponent of Florida.

See my take on the main page, Jon…

by Donny Rivette on Mar 4, 2009 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I think they’d have made the playoffs with or without Jay, especially if they got some NHL talent in return (look at the haul the ’Yotes got for Morris, and ratchet it up several notches).

Only issue I have with that cent is I can’t picture the playoff-contending team who really needs a cornerstone defenseman yet who can afford to give up the non-UFA NHL talent Florida would have demanded to rent one. I imagine it being a one-step forward, one-step back move for the suitor, with the giant risk that they rented Jay for nothing while giving up cost-controlled talent. Maybe that team is out there, but I couldn’t find a perfect fit — unless someone was going to dump their regrettable long-term deal on Florida, which poses other issues.

The Rangers appear to be a special case because they: 1) have been falling since their hot start and 2) never saw a great role for the parts they gave up, anyway. Ratchet that talent up several notches, though, and I’m not sure who’s parting with that for a rental.

But I also buy the argument that south Florida is a unique market that is overdue for a playoff goosing (and wouldn’t have gotten it if Jay were traded for picks), so that’s the angle I’m coming from.

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by Dominik on Mar 4, 2009 8:10 PM EST up reply actions  

thought the Flyers would get him??

the buzz in the Philly area was that we were going to land Jay today? oh well, looks like the Upshall deal was all the Flyers planned on doing??

by aroundtheleague.com on Mar 4, 2009 8:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Are Panthers fans really unable to weigh future gains against current success? Even if FLA gets into the playoffs this year what are the odds that they have a long playoff run? Not very good considering the top 4 teams in the east. Fans and season ticket holders should be able to see that trading Bowmaster was in the team’s best interest and not mutiny in response.

Logically, if Bowmaster is that good that you can’t make the playoffs without him, then the team around him is not that good and would greatly benefit from having the additions he could have brought. If Bieksa was on the table I don’t know how JM doesn’t make that deal. Your blueline is still very solid and Bieksa is more than a capable fill in. Throw in a couple picks or forwards and FLA makes a lateral move this year and helps the team in the future.

I don’t see this as very different from what Waddell did. Giving away prospects to make a short playoff run is not any different from refraining from collecting assets when you have the chance just so you can make a short playoff run.

by Rob Parker on Mar 4, 2009 6:09 PM EST reply actions  

It keeps getting thrown back in our face, how we haven’t made it to the playoffs in years. Granted, if we make it, we may not see it to the end, but getting in there is the step in the right direction. No, this isn’t “Jay’s team”, but why mess with the current chemistry all the current players have….it is working in our favor. Let him play to the end of the season & worry about whether he goes or not during the off season. Then, we can acquire someone else (if need be) & the team will start next season as a whole & they will learn to form a new chemistry then. If there was an offer worth honoring, JM would have done it.

Getting something isn’t always better than nothing……

by CLG_74 on Mar 4, 2009 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

my long-winded defense of Jacques Martin.

First of all, I think Martin was asking for Bieksa to be added to a package and Vancouver said no. Martin was looking to deal him today, no doubts, but cap space in Philly and not enough in return from Vancouver looks like it did the deal in.

Second, who says Florida can’t make a decent run? Washington and Boston have hit the skids. Florida’s already shown they can take care of the Caps in D.C. Trading Bo for a couple solid players would have risked this team’s chemistry and makeup. Just look at the player reactions post-deadline. Ballard called it “Perfect.” Booth was ecstatic. This team’s makeup screams post season success. Balanced scoring. Solid goaltending. Smart, quick defensemen. They aren’t going to be in trouble in a 7 game series if their “top line” has a bad night. Someone else picks them up. All 4 lines are physical and aggressive. If they get a 6th-7th seed, maybe even as high as 5, who’s to say they don’t catch fire at the right time?

Thirdly, and probably most important, what people around the league don’t understand is that florida is not a traditional market. Not just a traditional hockey market, a sports market in general. If you dont win, no one cares. Look at the Marlins. 2 world series titles in 10 years, yet the following year, they drop out of postseason talk and they can’t get 10,000 people in the stands. The Dolphins attendance is pathetic, even though they made the playoffs this year. To be relevant, and in the end make money, in south florida, you have to put a winning product on the ice and win over fans. If Jay bo was traded today, fans say “oh great, here are our old panthers, trading away our top guy. go figure.” If (and probably when) he walks in the summer, fans say “well we tried to sign him, he just didn’t want to play for us.” Right now, in this market, with this team, it’s the playoffs or bust. The right deal did not open up, and Martin held firm. I know it’s going to hurt in the summer seeing him go, but the core is here, and with Bo’s taking money elsewhere, it could open up opportunities for Florida to sign a free agent or 2 themselves. And right now, I’m OK with that.

by Stanley C. on Mar 4, 2009 6:54 PM EST reply actions  

I can understand most of your points. What I can’t understand is you saying “Boston and Washington have hit the skids.” Both of those teams may be slumping but that is different from hit the skids. Neither team is going anywhere, they are both going to be top 3 seeds in the East. PHI and NJD are also going to be incredibly difficult to beat. Teams that have a bunch of players that have never played in the playoffs (like the Panthers) have an incredibly difficult time making long playoff runs. I don’t remember the last time a team made it to a cup finals without some serious playoff experience on the roster. OK, you beat the pants off the Caps the other night when the Caps showed no fight. That’s not the type of effort you normally expect from the Caps (and you should know that) so to say that that game proves you can take care of them in D.C. is not really accurate. BOS, WAS, PHI, NJD are all very good home teams. I just don’t see you guys getting out of the first round.

by Rob Parker on Mar 4, 2009 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, we haven’t beaten these teams every time we’ve played them, but we have beaten them & NOT because the losing team played like crap. We have proven many times this year that we are capable of beating strong teams or giving them a good run for their money. This time last year both Boston & the Caps barely made it to the playoffs…..stepping stone. This year, both are top of the division & leading the league. Getting to the playoffs this year is our stepping stone. Don’t count us out just yet.

by CLG_74 on Mar 4, 2009 8:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Caps extended AO and resigned Green… stepping stone means nothing if you lose an indispensable piece…

by Rob Parker on Mar 6, 2009 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d sure like to disagree with you Fehr, but in the real world I cannot.

Still believe in the spirit of what was (not) done, however, considering all of the varied factors.

by Donny Rivette on Mar 6, 2009 9:24 PM EST up reply actions  

There is one big point that allows me to rationalize the decision. If the majority of the Miami metro population doesn’t really know much about the Panthers, then they don’t know much about Bowmaster. Thus, if the team makes the playoffs and local interest increases, the majority of new fans won’t know enough about the team to realize that the Panthers lost Bowmaster for nothing. Then you have the benefit of increased public interest without the scrutiny of losing a major asset with nothing in return. I’d like to believe that Bowmaster buys into the DeBoer culture and the close bond the teams has and sticks around (because I want to see FLA survive as a franchise, not because I want to see more Bowmaster v. AO) but I just don’t think it is likely given the reported deals he has turned down.

by Rob Parker on Mar 6, 2009 11:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Hitting the skids is probably a bit over dramatic, sure. But they clearly haven’t been as dominant lately as they were earlier in the season. We beat the Caps, then 2 nights later against Carolina, Washington got beat bad again at home. Youd think the game after you get swept out of your home barn, you’d come out with a bit more oomph. Instead they get cranked again, by Carolina. Boston is 3-5-2 in their last 10 and have a lot of young guys on their team as well. Of course they’ll still be there come postseason. The Devils have probably been playing the best hockey of anyone lately. I’m not saying it’s going to be an easy run, I’m just saying this team has the build and character to surprise some people. Think anyone was looking at the 8th seed Oilers to make a cup run a couple years ago? It’s probably likely we don’t get out of the first round, with or without Jay Bo. But Martin made it clear a couple weeks ago what it would take for him to move Jay. He didn’t get it, he stuck to his guns.

BTW, Florida has as many home regulation losses as Washington and Philadelphia, and 2 fewer home losses then Washington.

by Stanley C. on Mar 4, 2009 8:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Slumps happen. Each of the last 3 Cup winners had late season slumps and it didn’t kill them (DET’s was particularly bad last year). It’s an 82 game season and over that time the best teams generally prove themselves. Who gets hot during the playoffs is a different story but I think trying to judge BOS or WAS because of the last 2-3 weeks is a bad idea.

by Rob Parker on Mar 6, 2009 6:55 PM EST up reply actions  

further more...

Generally, in most hockey towns, a down year means build for the future. A couple of years of missing the playoffs, some rebuilding years, then its back to postseason play. In Florida, it’s been a down year for TEN SEASONS. the fans are sick of “building for the future,” they have the chance to be relevant again, they can’t pass it up. thats it.

by Stanley C. on Mar 4, 2009 6:57 PM EST reply actions  

Mine wasn’t as detailed as yours but you certainly read my mind & said it in MUCH better detail :)

I think this was a great decision, on JM’s part

by CLG_74 on Mar 4, 2009 6:59 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not just Jay

I am happy with today’s events. I think JM made a good swap in underperforming Welch for Eminger. We’re going to need a stable seventh in the playoffs, and Bryan Allen is definitely done for the season.

I think this team will make the playoffs, with or without Jay. I posted up an analysis of the numbers over on the official board a few minutes ago. The short version is that the team has about a 90% chance of making it in the top eight if they go .500 in their last 18. They’ve been better than that since losing in the New Year’s Day game on Long Island. That’s not why they kept Jay.

First, this team doesn’t need to win the Cup to make the season a success. There is a lot of talk about how there isn’t a lot of playoff experience in the room. Knowing this, why would any GM shortchange his team on the verge of a first playoff run? Because they’re “not going to make a deep playoff run”? That’s a ridiculous argument. A good GM on a playoff bound team positions his team to make the best possible run. Period. These players need the experience in the playoffs to be better next year. Whether it’s a first round exit or later round exit matters not. Look at the Bruins last year. They snuck in at eighth and took the top team to seven games but lost that first round.

Second, the effect on the room has been obvious. At least four players (Ballard, Booth, Weiss & Peltonen) have spoken publicly about how happy they are he is still here, as has his coach. And his GM, for that matter. For all anyone’s complaints, his team really like him. And the team plays better when they’re happy. The whole team has been given a vote of confidence by management. Basically they’ve been told that except for one guy who wasn’t playing much anyway that they’re good enough for the stretch. For a team that was hanging their heads, looking unhappy at team functions and playing not to lose for the last couple of years, that’s huge.

Third, given the team’s history of making excuses, they need to not have one. If Bo was traded and they got swept in the first round, they could point to that. Instead, they’ve been given what they all seem to want, which is for the group to stay together. They have no excuse not to win except that they tried their hardest and it wasn’t enough. And that, as fans, is all we ask. We didn’t get that last year. We got excuses.

One last thing. You all don’t think the Panthers can win a round? This team can beat the Capitals or Flyers in a round. Unless Biron suddenly finds the form he had in last year’s playoffs, the Panthers have better goaltending than either team. And that is how the Flyers, after looking like they would miss the playoffs until the last couple weeks of the season, made it to the conference finals the year after coming in last.

It’s not over until the last team is golfing, and no one can predict what will happen in the playoffs.

by John Beatty on Mar 4, 2009 9:56 PM EST reply actions  

VERY well said

I totally agree that if we do make the play offs & don’t get past round 1, I would not count that as a failure. This team has come so far, from where they were a year ago. We have as much of a chance to go all the way, as any team does. We’ve beaten the Caps. We have shut out Boston & the Devils (just looking at the top teams, right now). It is quite obvious the locker room is a much better atmosphere.

No playoff experience? Well, they have to start somewhere, don’t they?

I, for one, am very anxious for tomorrow night’s game & every game thereafter.

Go Panthers!

by CLG_74 on Mar 4, 2009 10:16 PM EST up reply actions  

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