Florida Panthers up the middle: Center of a troubled universe?
Most of the shouting has - thankfully - died down from the fever pitch we saw two weeks ago regarding free agency. The Cats made no significant waves (though I still find myself quietly cheering the Scott Clemmensen signing) beyond getting a decent, albeit late, return on Jay Bouwmeester's rights, locking up center Steven Reinprecht, and making everyone a bit nervous by going long on Jordan Leopold. But it all got done. Not to mention a few modest-though-hopeful draft picks were made by Scott Luce's staff under immense pressure from a front office which could only have been in turmoil, thanks to Montreal's new head coach.
More after the wormhole-of-fun...
Actually, that part makes me the most snickeringly positive about the future of the club. These scouthing guys and gals had to react to a quickly evolving situation. No longer were Jacques Martin's meandering defensive proclivities the order of the day. Want proof? Of the Cats' seven picks, six were forwards; only 14th-overall Dmitry Kulikov (ranked by many as a top-ten prospect) works the blueline. Every fan should sleep a little better.
And so we venture back to free agency, and specifically the center position. For quite some time - the "loss" of Olli Jokinen comes to mind - the Panthers have been jockeying either second-line (sometimes less) centers or transplanted wingers to the meat spot in the top trio sandwich. While this was undoubtedly done out of necessity last year (giving Nathan Horton a shot at his old junior spot was one reason, not blowing out the salary structure being another), the upcoming season has a new set of expectations associated with it. The playoffs are, quite simply, stand back : the only goal. Wash, rinse, repeat. Sounds rather familiar to me as well.
It's safe to assume most Panthers Faithful can be divided into two camps when discussing the situation at Center:
- those who are comfortable with where the roster stands now (including prospects from Rochester), hoping for the rapid development of some and serious breakouts from others, while...
- ...the other contingent wants a splash, the Big Free Agent, some semblence of a newsmaking deal to shake the foundations a bit.
It's really no secret where I stand: building from within is a perfectly respectable strategy. The Cats have been doing it - haphazardly - for years, only that many of the expected pieces either failed to pan out (Anthony Stewart, Branislav Mezei) or were squeezed by the differing strategies of three very dissimilar management staffs in the past six years (Kristian Huselius, Niklas Hagman).
Would I love to see a mammoth move made by Randy Sexton and company to shore up the middle? Of course. But I'm not losing sleep over it. And until a full-time GM is named, don't waste your nights stressing over it either. When the big money is spent, it won't be with an interim's signature on Alan Cohen's check.
I'm perfectly comfortable waiting this out; a successful season - built on the efforts of some long-awaited Big Years by the up-and-comers - is realistic, given the talent within. The club has a solid core in place - finally - at the forward ranks, with a little work remaining at left wing (in this case Alex Tanguay looks oh so tempting), but the conversation always drifts back to center.
Stephen Weiss: A nice season by the perenial number two - he led the team in scoring - may have finally cemented his front-line status. Recent talk of a Booth-Weiss-Horton Sunrise Express reunion (made possible by the addition of Reinprecht) could very well have the center back for good at the top of the positional depth chart.
Steven Reinprecht: A career second-liner, he has produced erratically, though due to various injuries (which in itself is rather terrifying). His point totals have been consistent with games-played. A Cup winner and "character guy" which the Panthers have been in relentless pursuit of in recent days, he has serious potential with a Michael Frolik/Cory Stillman shotgun setup.
Gregory Campbell: One third of the killer "CPR" line is now just about gone (awaiting confirmation on Ville Peltonen's expected departure to Europe), Campbell worked wonders with Radek Dvorak in all defensive situations. In Nick Boynton's absence, "Soup" never hesitated to drop the gloves in defense of a teammate, so his role as third-line center is well-defined and - for the moment - untouchable.
Nick Tarnasky: The return for Wade Belak. Tough dood with sweet hands had some moments in 2008-09, just not many. Sharing ice time was a factor.
Kamil Kreps: Quick but serviceable fourth-liner; his 19 points in 66 games - on very few minutes per night - are actually a revelation. Given real time, who knows? Probably holding the fort for...
Shawn Matthias: Even in the event this kid completely busts, Detroit's Ken Holland will never hear the end of trading his rights for Todd Bertuzzi at the 2007 trade deadline. He won't be a bust, though, even after a rough start in Rochester last year. With a season of pro hockey to his resume, lots of folks are expecting a serious push to make the big club in camp.
Jeff Taffe: Yahoo! and the Panthers official site have him listed at left wing, while ESPN - in all their WWL goodness, pegged him at center. I hate deferring to Bristol's largest tax shelter, but for the purposes of this piece, we'll call him a center as well. Hey...any guy who can produce at better than a point-per-game pace is worth looking at, and I'll be damned if he doesn't create some headaches for everyone under Reinprecht on the depth chart during camp. Those are numbers.
No one else of note down on the farm at this point. Who's available at the Free Agent Center bazaar? Check it out (via Mirtle's most recent Top 100):
- Robert Lang: Serious points over the years, and he's played with some top talent. But he's older than I am. That's not a good thing. KHL or bust, baby.
- Mats Sundin: Muahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Moving along...
- Jason Williams: Decent numbers - in fact, pretty darned good - but his only having played 80 games once in ten years hurts him. Forget that...his next highest total for a single season is 58. Sucks.
- Manny Malhotra: No offense, but we're sinking fast. In his defense, Manny has many admirers, and did a lot where few tools were available in Columbus. Going into his 13th season at age 29.
- Dominic Moore: Well-travelled and not outstanding in any specific category. Greg Campbell, minus the stability.
- Mike Comrie: Surprised he fell this far? Though talented at his trade, yet another victim of games-lost-to-injury.
That's really it, unless Mike Sillinger and Michael Peca can still be summarized as "big names". How much dinero would you throw at any of these guys, and how might they be an improvement on what Florida already holds? Speak!
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i’m with you both on that, although tanguay i think definitely changes things. i’m not so down on everyone else like it seems that all of the other fans are, i’m not waving my white flag but i am defintely raising my panthers flag if we sign alex….assuming he plays 65 games, he’s worth overbidding the other teams, satisfy a need and the fans.
I’ve said many times: all about Tanguay…but he gains expense by the minute at this point. A bidding war is under way.
by Donny Rivette on Jul 14, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
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Weiss is much better than you give him credit for. You call him a number two, but he’s the one doing the dirty work.
Contributor to The Copper & Blue, and leader of The Cult Of Hartikainen.
Thanks for the link. Nice post. I’ve been saying that about Weiss. There was another stat that came out when he was out a few games last year, and that was that the Panthers lost if he was out of the lineup. Consistentlyt. If he’s playing the tough minutes, and playing them well, that would help explain why they don’t do as well when he’s not there.
he (Weiss) definitely doesn’t get appreciated for what he does bring to the table. He has developed quite nicely and he is one of the few reasons (ie. the Sunrise Express) that actually should make Panthers fans happy.
I’ve said for year now that I think that line (hopefully reunited this year) is my second favorite young line in hockey and I think that if they didn’t have the pressure of basically making up almost the entire Panthers offense, they would actually perform better.
All things considered, I’m part of Group #2 the W4E describes above, hoping that the Cats sign Tanguay for about 4.5MM and maybe look at Comrie for 1.5MM. Both guys are relatively young and while they both come with a “buyer beware” tag with past injury history, combined, you could add 50 goals to your offenisve output.
Tanguay – Comrie – Frolik
Booth – Weiss – Horton
That is a solid 1A, 1B line (barring injury of course) and I like the potential that Weiss could have a Jeff Carter type year.
Reinprecht slides down to a 3rd line center checking position, which is probably more suited to his game.
by HockeyOutsiders on Jul 15, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
That would be a good 1a/b. Reinprecht on the third with Stillman and Dvorak and Campbell on the fourth with Repik and Olesz would give DeBoer four lines worth rolling, instead of sitting the fourth on the bench for 95% of the game. Yes, we need another couple of guys who can score, but having a fourth line worth playing helps the top players get rest.
Makes too much sense, though, so it won’t happen.
I’m hearing alot of good points. Here’s hoping a few of our young guys can crack the lineup this year and make and impact. Repik, Matthias, Ellerby, maybe even Kulikov.
I like the sound of a 1st line consisting of Horton,Weiss, and Booth. They’ll show all the younger guys how to play Deboer style hockey. You’ve got to like the sound of Tanguay in a Panthers jersey and you’d have to imagine he’d crack the first line if they were lucky enough to sign him.
by Stanley Cupington on Jul 15, 2009 1:44 AM EDT reply actions
It’s kind of scary when you think of the Horton\Booth\Weiss line showing “younger” guys how to play DeBoer hockey… weren’t these guys the “kids” we were expecting to grow? They’re mid-20’s now and still waiting for them to grow…
But relax, we just signed another center for the amerks today, some Jamie Johnson, so at least we have “depth” at center… sigh.
I don’t refer to “those” kids as kids anymore. That ship has sailed.
by Donny Rivette on Jul 15, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Delusional!
Let’s be honest with ourselves here. This team is not going to be any beter than 12th or 13th in the conference. In addition each team in our division has improved, well, Atlanta not so much. We have no scoring and no one, including management seems to realize that. We cannot keep waiting for Horton and Weiss to emerge. These 2 have been around long enough and are now considered veterans, so we have seen their best, at least here.
Also, we don’t really have a puck moving defenseman.
Want to know why we give up so many shots? Cause our “D” can’t get the puck out of our zone, therefore causing us to get hemmed in and play defense most of the night.
There are some serious problems still with this club. We cannot wait for the rebuild to kick in. Granted major free agent signings are not the answer, but for what we pay for the players we have, we are not getting our money’s worth. It’s not acceptable to just make the playoffs. The goal has to be bigger.
Finally, Weiss is not a number one center. Take a look at all the teams that made the playoffs last year, and ask yourselves if Weiss could be the number one center on any of those teams. If you answer yes, then you are really kidding yourself and have had too much of the “kool aid”.
by Hard Hawk Hockey on Jul 15, 2009 4:51 PM EDT reply actions
Weiss
There are a bunch of teams that would kill for a center like Weiss on the top line.
He’s murdering the tough minutes for the Panthers.
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It would certainly be helpful if Horton could play on his wing like a top-line guy.
by Donny Rivette on Jul 16, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly, he’s just too small to be a number one. He cannot play against some of the bigger lines every night. He logs alot of minutes. Why? We have no one else, and management continues to think that he’s a number one line center.
At best Weiss is a number two. The biggest need that this team needed has been scoring. That has never been followed up on. Now we need scoring and a number one center. Tanguay is not the answer, but at least he would be an improvement and a step in the right direction. However he has a tendency to pass too much, which isn’t a good sign, and he will need someone to get him the puck to score.
I don’t buy Weiss being a number one.
by Hard Hawk Hockey on Jul 17, 2009 1:59 PM EDT reply actions

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