Florida Panthers / 2010 NHL Trade Deadline Open Forum - LIVE!
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 3:37 PM EST
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Welcome to the 2nd annual Deadline Day Festival of Courage at Litter Box Cats: covering every Florida Panthers rumor, strategy, and deal to go down throughout the day, right up to the 3 pm cutoff and beyond.
Keep the coffee brewin'; we've got a lot of ground to cover. DolPhanDave, KeithW, JohnnyB, and I thank you for joining us during the hockey fan's version of the Super Bowl, New Years Eve, and Victory in Europe day all rolled into a few quaint but frenetic hours.
We'll waste no further time and simply dive right in. Comments and important links after the jump as we follow the action...
And a reminder: there is a game tonight, which we'll begin covering around 6:30.
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And for the invocation:
Hockey Gods, please let us get a great deal today. Let the Panthers actually get someone good in exchange for once. We beseech you to not let us have a Luongo situation, for we have suffered mightily for so long due to cruel fate.
And from Stu Siegel via Twitter:
Working hard today toward making moves to improve our team’s future. This is just 1st steps of multi-month process.
probably someone else not being talked about as top two picks…
by alterego6487 on Mar 3, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
His second time around with the Yotes, yes?
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
What’s the definition of “excited”, anyway? I say blow ’em up
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
I haven't been "EXCITED" about the Panthers
since they dropped those garbage third jerseys on us.
NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs
There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.
by TheFinReaper on Mar 3, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
No, been trying all morning while trying to work, but can’t get it.
by The Rat Trick on Mar 3, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, all the other features work fine; was hoping for video…see what I can do
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
even a lvie radfio feed from somewhere would be good
by The Rat Trick on Mar 3, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, but things may not start happening for another hour or so, and they will probably keep going until 5:00
Could keep going longer than that, supposedly the Poni trade happened yesterday, didnt see it until this morning
Leafs didn’t play him, so it was pretty obvious something was up
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
Yes. That reminds me…I’ll post up another link in a minute regarding deadline “rules”
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
the true barometer of this season: Carolina, who is in shambles, is now only one point behind us and holders of more wins. there is nothing left for this season, so Randy needs to get what he can now.
a shame we’ll probably see the last of Seidenberg, as he’s a player i think could really help by being around for the long haul, totally underrated and a great sign by Sexton this summer. there has been lots of talk, but besides Reinprecht (who he got for virtually nothing), i think Sexton has done pretty well thus far with his hands tied. today will go a long way to see if he should be the man to steer this rebuild.
one other thought: would love to see T-Vo and Markstrom in net next year, so lets get Clemmers off the bench, he looked uncomfortable yet again last night. too bad no one wants him.
CAR will make the playoffs if they keep Whitney. But they won’t.
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
Nothing we can do with Clemmer; stuck for two more years unless Jersey wants him back for next-to-nothing
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
i agree, but what happens if/when we trade T-Vo? we get a Huet-type in return to mind the net next season also along with Markstrom? i think a T-Vo trade sets us back for next year also, unless we get a solid goalie in return…
by alterego6487 on Mar 3, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
My opinion is that I have zero confidence in Randy Sexton straightening this out.
by The Rat Trick on Mar 3, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
i think we need to give him a chance…we haven’t really seen him work yet and at least he was honest enough to call the scoring issue “f—king brutal”….thats honesty you don’t see out of GM’s or Front Office Figureheads in sports very often.
by alterego6487 on Mar 3, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
and what kind of rebuild are we talking about? 1,2 or 5 years?
—-they were discussing that on TSN in regards to the Leafs, and they seemed to be certain the Leafs need quite a few more years to fix their mess
Well, they did sign Seidenberg. And I think Skoula got dropped because they decided Kulikov was going to play, which I think was the right decision. I wasn’t sure at the time, but he’s been developing well here even with all of the problems.
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Oh yeah. I think that was when they realized the coaching staff wasn’t too big on Koistenen. But Skoula I believe was originally let go in favor of Kulikov. They weren’t sure at camp if he was going to make the team, so they brought in Backman and Skoula as backup.
And don’t forget, he’s only played 33 games for Pittsburgh. It’s not like we let a gem go.
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New Link...
…deadline “rules”:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ScfipVkjgkQ/S4wJ4fKjEmI/AAAAAAAAAKo/AxqaIly6-wg/s1600-h/trade-Q%26A.jpg
Posted at top of page as well
tried that last time for Jay, but didn’t happen. Don’t see it happening here either.
by The Rat Trick on Mar 3, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
wouldn’t that be something, T-Vo traded to Philly on deadline day when we play them…
by alterego6487 on Mar 3, 2010 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
actually, if the panthers get Carter, they could feasibly fit Vokoun under the cap.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Mar 3, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
I was talking about the Flyers’ cushion, not the Panthers’ which is a good deal larger. Looking at it from the Flyers end, they need to lose a well-paid forward to get a goalie. Carter seems the most likely.
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yes, I was talking about the Flyers cap as well. I don’t think the Panthers have much of a cap issue. Sorry, i wasn’t clear.
The Flyers could afford Vokoun in several ways, getting rid of Carter is one of them, also dealing Gagne or Hartnell, they could also deal Carle and another roster player…
You have to remember they did get some cushion by shutting Emery down for the year.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Mar 3, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
I misread. I think we were saying the same thing. Yeah, Gagne is always a possibility, but I think more teams would be interested in Carter. Who knows, though? I wouldn’t be too unhappy to get Oglethorpe Hartnell, though I’d prefer Carter.
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btw, does anyone here PAY for his information? because you’re a fool if you do. i can make up rumors just like he can….
where do his media credentials come from?
by alterego6487 on Mar 3, 2010 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
he did in Vancouver….just saying. it makes me mad because i can EASILY write what he does, but i wouldn’t charge.
by alterego6487 on Mar 3, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
FOR THE NEWBIES: EKLUND "RUMORS" ARE GARBAGE
We post them simply for the laughs
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Skoula for "Middle Round Pick"
Just updated on TSN
perpetually false. had panthers getting Tanguay, had them offering up Booth, just lots of nonsense….
by alterego6487 on Mar 3, 2010 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
and its not just me, and the fellow litterboxers on here…..check out the message boards attached to each of his blogs and the rest of NHL stuff you can find, they’re usually filled with comments about how the rumors are false…on his own website!!!
by alterego6487 on Mar 3, 2010 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
Twitter says Seidenberg may go. But that’s nothing new. Also supposedly LA is interested in Ray Whitney. Not that that involves the Panthers.
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I think LA’s been interested in Whitney for awhile, but Whitney wants to stay on the east coast and wants an extension before a trade is done.
And he wants a three-year extension. He’s 37.
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
bring him down here! and im serious, he was a maajor fan favorite and can still score.
by alterego6487 on Mar 3, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
obviously i know im dreaming, a 40-year old doesn’t fit in “rebuilding plans.”
by alterego6487 on Mar 3, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
don’t be so harsh. he doesn’t have 627 wins because he’s stupid! :)
by The Rat Trick on Mar 3, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
you’re right, but where did his touch go when he came to SoFla?
by alterego6487 on Mar 3, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
Trying to get my girl to move down there tho
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
it is great to be able to walk to the Center!
by SunriseIceAxe on Mar 3, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
really? I own a nice house about 5 minutes from the BAC…i live north though.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Mar 3, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
You’re kidding? I’m off of Broadway, but I’m not dangerous
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
Fantastic…I drive through that area on the way out to 441 all the time! Kewl.
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
Where’d you see it, Hawks? Got a link? Trying to stay on the up-and-up
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
P.S. wozniak said that Ellerby had just left the building. But seriously, those amerks might as well leave on the same flight together. LOL
3 2nd round draft picks…one from Montreal, one from Tampa (via Boston), and one from Pittsburgh.
by panthersfan27 on Mar 3, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
ha, 7 dollar tickets at the box office gets you in, the mass amounts of empty seats lets you sit anywhere.
by alterego6487 on Mar 3, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
yes, I will be there. Have 2 extra tickets. Lower bowl!! Anyone?
by The Rat Trick on Mar 3, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
opps. Ok,I have two tickets. to obviously be fair, you should get them. panthers fan 779 missed by a couple minutes and bill has plans.
If you want them send me an email at therattrick@gmail.com.
include your phone number and I’ll call you within a few minutes.
by The Rat Trick on Mar 3, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
My g/f will be there. Season tickets. Hasn’t renewed yet, btw.
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
Oh, she’s your biggest fan, Dave! After me, of course
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
I'll be there
course, I’ll be in my Richards jersey, haha.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Mar 3, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
Again…depends on their needs. And we don’t know what those are, officially
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
Top left of screen…see your name…click…should go to options or settings or something…“edit profile”?
Your screen is a little different than mine. Otherwise I can prolly change it for you
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
what’s a good new sn? min’es not original at all
by SunriseIceAxe on Mar 3, 2010 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
clem ain’t a bargaining tool. he’s moot
by SunriseIceAxe on Mar 3, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Clemmer’s got two years left. No one wants that with his numbers and cap hit
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
via twitter
@nhlrumor Panthers/Oilers are both busy… Panthers probably won’t trade Vokoun, Stillman talks heating up though.
Could see Rusty in EDM. He’s their type: fast, lacking in production, and expensive
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
I started
Clem bashing after his 6-5 performance against Dallas and 7-4 against Washington. Not to mention that game he gave up two goal in two minutes early this season.
the 2 early goals thing seems to be recurring nightmare with Clemmers….
Whale, remember how excited we were for him on July 1st?
by alterego6487 on Mar 3, 2010 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
if they get Carter in the deal for T-Vo….
a) who else or what else comes with?
b) are we as fans happy?
Just can’t see them giving up Carter, but he’s all they can move
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
Trade people may not have noticed
Chicago picked up Hannu Toivonen a couple of days ago. The Blackhawks must really be desperate at goalie.
Pete DeBoer says Vokoun starting tonight. You would imagine he would know if Vokoun will be a Panther…
well, Eklund did tweet it a couple minutes after it was reported…good for him. haha.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Mar 3, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
oh i’ll take them, for sure, but not trying to pay….sorry hahaha
by alterego6487 on Mar 3, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
send me an email
therattrick@gmail.com
include your cell number and I’ll call you to make arrangements
by The Rat Trick on Mar 3, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Bartkowski and Seids for Byron Bitz and who?
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
I like this trade a lot. More draft picks!
by panthersfan27 on Mar 3, 2010 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
Just a fun thought… we’ll have Ellerby, Garrison, and Kulikov playing for the rest of the season, who combine for about 1 full NHL seasons worth of games…
Even more fun
Clem in goal if TVO gets traded. That red light behind the panther goal may burn out before season’s end.
i think it’s good, let them get the experience now
by alterego6487 on Mar 3, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
I’ll do what I can…what name do you want?
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
apparently 2nd round picks are the new first.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Mar 3, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
3 2nd Rounders...
Lots of assets there. I also like Byron Bitz a lot…very gritty.
E5?
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by HockeyOutsiders on Mar 3, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
Is that just speculation on your part?
by panthersfan27 on Mar 3, 2010 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
Hehe. :-)
Eklund got the B. Allen info from 790theticket. LOL.
by panthersfan27 on Mar 3, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
OK hang on…might need to log out…I’ll get back to ya
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
I can’t do it, but request support from, well, support. I’ll let ya know. We’ll get it.
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
Er, I REQUESTED support. Leave it to me.
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
well alterego said yes, but haven’t received his email.
not to upset anyone, but the first one to email me at
therattrick@gmail.com WITH a cell number gets em.
by The Rat Trick on Mar 3, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
damn, i said ill take em before alter did!
by SunriseIceAxe on Mar 3, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t want anyone getting upset. He actually responded first, but couldn’t emailo me right away.
obviously if you want him to give you one, that’s between you guys!
Sorry.
by The Rat Trick on Mar 3, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
i'll go with you alter, have some empathy lol
by SunriseIceAxe on Mar 3, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
I’m sure you can get some decent seats for $25 from the scalpers.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Mar 3, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think they’re done…Rhino, Stiller, a number of assets to move
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
rat trick- if you scroll up, technically i said i'd take em at 8:18 pst, alter accepted at 8:19 haha
Work dragged me away
Did I miss anything?
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i have to say, i like Stu. the guy is on twitter talking about the deal we’ve made and responding to my comments on it right away.
“Always hard to let go a good guy like Dennis. Bitz will give us the size and grit we’ve been looking for.”
sorry panthersfan, already had plans to go tonight and was going to buy tickets with a friend, but i promise you can get seats for 10$ at the gate, and we’ll bring you down to sit with us.
totally took a shot on him for my fantasy team, wah wah
by HockeyAndLoathing on Mar 3, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
LTIR? Thought it was “out indefinitely”?
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
George Richards has a new blog up about the seidenberg deal. Funny, optional practice and hardly any Panthers showed up apparently.
2 weeks with no hockey, and these guys don’t show up for an optional practice….Trade them all, seriously!
why is it even optional? they are the THIRD worst team in the league.
by alterego6487 on Mar 3, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
remember when Carolina wasn’t in shouting distance of us?….now look.
by alterego6487 on Mar 3, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
yea, flyers are on the way up, no matter what else happens today, we’re going backwards
by The Rat Trick on Mar 3, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
well, i’ll be watching it from home if it happens, bc i got screwed out of going to the game! ha
by SunriseIceAxe on Mar 3, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
Easy my friend. I don’t want anyone upset. my clock on the computer had him one minute ahead.
no hard feelings
by The Rat Trick on Mar 3, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
it’s all good. i’m not mad…you guys are cool in my book
by SunriseIceAxe on Mar 3, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks. Mayb e next time, or next season, with all the extra games i now have!
by The Rat Trick on Mar 3, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
no, there are 91 tickets available at stubhub and i’m sure plenty more at the arena tonight.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Mar 3, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
no, i doubt itll be a sell out. I just dont have a job and have no money :\
by SunriseIceAxe on Mar 3, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
Yea it was, I laughed the entire time. They really need to deal Vinny and get something for him while they can, I’ve watched him skate all season, and he’s not into it
No he’s not. All he’s been through the guy deserves a fresh start. Problem is he loves living there.
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
another guy that doesn’t fit a “rebuild” but wouldn’t he love living here too?
by alterego6487 on Mar 3, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve considered that as well…only a short NetJets flight from home
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
so, how does the lottery for draft work? should we be thinking #1?
and yes, Karl, i’ve grown to HATE the flames…Blackhawks for me the rest of the way…just like last year.
(2) seconds in 2010, (1) second in 2011.
I’m assuming the Seidenberg 2nd is this year
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
3 2nd round draft picks…one from Montreal, one from Tampa (via Boston), and one from Pittsburgh.
by panthersfan27 on Mar 3, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
one from Leopold, one from Seidenberg, and the one we get = 3 for 2010.
by alterego6487 on Mar 3, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
“understanding the nhl draft lottery” means simply, all SE division teams will be screwed for the #1 pick. That explains it all.
No need to click on that link. ROFL
It’s that inevitable calm before the storm. Happens every year. The real work is being done right now.
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
lunch sounds good, time to heat up leftovers. Sounds like something may be cooking between PHX and COL
well put.
Actually concentrating on work now.
Lunch? later
by The Rat Trick on Mar 3, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
apparently lots of talk on Stillman, says twitter. i wish we could throw Kreps in on one of these deals.
also, does this deadline kill Rochester’s playoffs hopes?
No it does not. Panthers picked up two forwards today. It is possible that Repik could be returned to Rochester. Rochester can also pick up another defenseman since the next game is not till Friday.
ok good, though i want Repik in the big leagues. i think he’s got the goods, but needs the ice time in the NHL.
by alterego6487 on Mar 3, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
Bad move by both Panthers and Hawks if this does not happen. Vokoun is worth more now, last season he faded at the end of the season.
we must have wanted too much from CHI, they should be jumping on Vokoun. credit Sexton for not taking a cheap deal though, if that’s the case….there are far worse things then keeping T-Vo now and through next year.
by alterego6487 on Mar 3, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Fascinating deal…2 guys with potential
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
Whose teams gave up. Shakeups in order, apparently.
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
I’d have taken both guys in a heartbeat…
by panthersfan27 on Mar 3, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Greetings....my apologies for the tardiness
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I hear we still have a team...
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hell yeah…especially after watching the Cats game last night (or early this morning, lol)
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"My parents would always say, `It doesn't matter if it`s a guy picking up the garbage or the President of the United States, treat everybody as you would want to be treated.'"- Dan Marino
Watching the NHL the last couple of days looks like the guys are skiing on tar compared to the Olympics…
seriously, that was a depressing sunday and monda right? ugh. Don’t get me wrong, i’m proud we made it the GMG, but depressing bc that pussy Crosby scored the GW goal and the Panthers’ loss
by SunriseIceAxe on Mar 3, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
They looked completely out of it. Booth had a few shining moments tho
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Is there a certain channel to watch that has the best coverage for us non-Canadianers?
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Nice, im a lucky bugger who gets NHL Net in HD too
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and Markstrom…
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USA USA
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ALL
speaking of USA still, check out the video from Penguins game in Pittsburgh last night. they did a ceremony for all the Olympians. they were playing Buffalo. who got the best ovation? RYAN MILLER. and SID WAS BOOED…..USA trumps Pens, huh?
that is awesome
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it truly is great
maybe Crosby’s big head will shrink a little knowing that Americans don’t think much of him besides his hockey skills. He’s no God to us.
by SunriseIceAxe on Mar 3, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
I just can’t believe people are still comparing him to Gretzky… There’s no flippin way he’s that good.
he and ovechkin would argue they both are. But no, they’re not. Maybe IF in many years they keep the level of play. But they’re really just assholes.
by SunriseIceAxe on Mar 3, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
come on, like anyone else would have scored that goal for Canada?
love him or hate him, he’s a winner plain and simple.
Sure he’s a winner, but people forget the level of talent that existed before him, and will likely exist after him. He shouldn’t be touted as the end all be all of hockey like he is.
agreed, but he and Ovechkin are by far the best players in the league in my opinion. and i put Ovi ahead.
just like there’ll never be another Jordan, there’ll never be another Gretzky. no Kobe or LeBron or Sidney or Alex or Evgeni
I watch the Caps play all the time. Ovie is a great player, but not a leader and seems to act like a “kid”. He needs to grow up a bit. He also did not play very well for team Russia, and was a nonfactor.In fact, the CAPS played just as well without him on the team and play better defensively.
Ovie is not even close to the caliber as Crosby in a team environment. When Ovie decided to grow up, the Caps will be completely unstoppable. Until then, Ovie will be second in the NHL no matter what his STATS are.
Easy on the talk, PF. Removed the previous post.
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
Got a little heavy on the snowbird stuff.
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
Not saying don’t post the stuff…by all means do it.
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
donny
What was wrong with my post? I meant no ill will…just would like to know so I won’t do it in the future
Just go a bit easier on our Quebecois friends
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe, but it’s not like half the players we cheer for on a regular basis aren’t from the big cold north…
which is why we need more hockey programs in the US. I know that if and when I have children, I’m going to get them into hockey early. Maybe in 25 years or so, it’ll be a more even ratio.
by SunriseIceAxe on Mar 3, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
nothing wrong with making fun of canadians, haha. Yeah, and Russia…now that’s a country with a bunch of sore losers.
I’m fine with having a little fun, but no threats – even in jest
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
oh the truck comment? haha. i would never actually do that.
by SunriseIceAxe on Mar 3, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
Big time sore losers but that’s when everyone should worry. They always get better after they lose…..Most of the coaches and staff of the previous Olympic team are going to be gone, I would not be surprised if they hire a former NHL coach to build the next Olympic team. There are already plenty of former NHL coaches in the KHL (although, most are awful).
ok, gang, have to leave my office and computer to go see a client.
Hold down the fort as they say, and can someone make sure we acquire a goal scorer!
Will try to be back later
i hear ya. thank goodness for the “blackberry”
by The Rat Trick on Mar 3, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
you too alterago? damn babyboomers need to retire and let us take some!
by SunriseIceAxe on Mar 3, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
yes, but know this.
I would rather you have what I provide before you need it, then want to get it after you can’t
by SunriseIceAxe on Mar 3, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
what’s your email? ill send ya a message so we dont have to bore these people with non hockey talk.
by SunriseIceAxe on Mar 3, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
That you’re an aspiring law student. I work at a law school. (And I’m a non-aspiring law student although I’ll likely have to go to keep my job/move up).
Florida Panthers: Giving the league a punching bag since 2000.
i’m not an aspiring law student…I’ve graduated and taken the bar exam.
by SunriseIceAxe on Mar 3, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
haha, no no no. That guy is the scum of the earth
by SunriseIceAxe on Mar 3, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Mike Keenan....
there is an expert on what the Panthers need to do..
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D- can we throw threats HIS way...?
has nothing to do with nationaly, just that bleeping mustache
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"My parents would always say, `It doesn't matter if it`s a guy picking up the garbage or the President of the United States, treat everybody as you would want to be treated.'"- Dan Marino
Do you think that it would be embarassing for the organization if they cannot make anymore trades today?
No…if they don’t it will be bacause they felt no offers were up to their standards according to whatever plan they have in place.
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
Lots of moves can be made at the draft as well
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
I think so too. You dont send an owner letter out like that unless you are moving more than 3 players….
Keenan justifing trading Luongo
Go Bleep yourself!!!!!
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I'm still sour on trading Stu Barnes for Chris Wells
and letting Martin Straka go…
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u think so really? Vokoun has been the best player on the Cats the last two years….by far this year, and last year only Booth was close.
Yes because we have no offense. We could have used those draft picks for offensive players. We did not need a high priced goalie, we needed offense that has been a recurring theme with this organziation. They could have used those picks for a SCORER. Hopefully, they have learned their lesson…
true, but u must have a great goalie to get anywhere
by SunriseIceAxe on Mar 3, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
And he STILL claims he resigned from the team. Unreal.
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
The worst trade in the last decade.
He wants to try and justify it. Go ahead, it will only make you look more incompetent.
NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs
There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.
Laughable. For a guy with his career numbers it’s really rather sad.
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
Sad is an insufficient description.
God help me. I miss Roger Nielson and Doug Maclean.
NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs
There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.
No…it was that or GameCenter, and I went with GameCenter. My bad. Fixed soon.
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
Price tag’s probably too high for anyone mid-season. Both his salary and what Sexton probably is asking for.
except this is probably the right move, trading JayBo at the deadline last year would have been the right move, but we waited and standardly screwed it up.
I dunno, at the deadline last year I was thinking the only reason to trade J-Bo is if the offer coming back was stacked with goal scorers. We weren’t in the position we are now where we need to stockpile draft picks. I was OK with keeping J-Bo at the deadline when the offers weren’t what we needed.
I hope this picks up
I have a 2:30 meeting and it’s been rather disappointing so far.
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from twitter
@tpanotch
#Flyers focus shifting to “depth” at forward and defense. Goalie upgrade is off the boards. Price was too steep for Vokoun, complicated cap
Here’s a thought, Theodore and Flieshman of the caps for vokoun. Never going to happen , but could be a good move for both teams. Theodore is UFA next season.
LOL
@FriedmanHNIC Were the Maple Leafs blacked out in Calgary this year?
lol
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I know there’s still time, but I’m starting to feel disappointment creeping into the back of my head. The guys I liked (but we likely wouldn’t resign) have been moved, and the guys I can’t stand watching skate are still here! Our team must be so bad that it would require months over the off season to find takers.
I’m kinda leaning the other way. Guys that we could move, we did, and we got 2nd round picks for them even though they’re UFA’s in July. Moving Olesz, Stillman, Campbell, Kreps, Allen, etc was going to be tough, because they aren’t worth anything. I’m impressed we got what we did for the guys we knew (and everyone in the league knew) had to be dealt.
I’m happy with the returns so far. Plus, everything goes bizonkers in the final fifteen minutes.
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
We’ve got some tough bodies to move, considering contracts involved (looking at you, Rusty)
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
all true statements, the true fun has yet to begin.
i still think Vokoun is staying, maybe we’ll see Stillman or Rhino gone? who knows?
I think Rheinprecht would have been a tradeable piece, except he’s gone in the tank since January has become a giant waste of a roster spot.
Still got some value, tho. Some could use him as a third-line rental. An expensive rental, but there.
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
I think it says a lot about the structure of what we had this year. What would be a 3rd line depth move for most teams was a #2 scoring center move for us… sigh.
Or more, considering the lines we’ve utilized
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
the loss of Zednik and Peltonen was the probelm, they were very speedy guys like Dvorak. Their replacements were not the same.
No way the Cats were going to pay what they wanted
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I’m sure Y*****k could monetize them somehow.
Florida Panthers: Giving the league a punching bag since 2000.
Or the skate sharpener. Or the Jacuzzi. Or the bus.
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
If anyone else is going from Florida, who’s it gonna be? Stillman and Reinprecht probably the most likely, I’ve also seen Olesz and Dvorak in the rumor mills… I think one more move for a decent pick\prospect and you can call the deadline a success for the Panthers. Right now, I’d put it at the B- level.
Since most players have been role player type guys,
I think that Oslez, Dvorak, and Stillman…Who knows? Maybe Sexton has a litte bidding war giong on because he seems to be doing well with the trades so far.
Precisely what’s taking place right now
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
And George Richards with the important tweet – they have Tim Hortons in Penn Station. Next time I go to NYC Tim Horton’s it is!
I would love to see the Panthers pickup a guy like Carlson or Alzner from the Caps. I doubt though that top prospects are available from any team right now.
All their talk and no action is why they can’t beat the Pens, look at all the moves the Pens have made the past two deadlines, and look at the Caps…
you may be right, because the goaltending situation is iffy in DC and they have the assets to improve it.
The in-division factor does come into play, if T-Vo was going to Washington there would be a higher price to pay for the Caps.
I’d freaking love that too! Don’t see it.
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
Every year it logjams at the end…trades can be announced long after
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
That was a mind-bender to begin with, yes
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
so if nothing changes today with the Cats, who’s gone in the summer? whoever we can get the best deals for?
I say everyone we all thought would be gone today, will be gone in the off season. Kreps, Olesz, etc.
No reason in the world to hold onto him right now. Take anything, from any club.
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
via GR @ OFP
Seidenberg apparently open to the possibility of returning as a FA this summer?
Wonder how much of this slow deadline day has to do with the fact that there are only 4, maybe 5 teams who were looking to be sellers and so many teams still in the hunt. There weren’t many top teams that were going to get a top 6 forward from anyone because, for the most part, those top 6 forwards are on teams that aren’t willing to give them up cuz they’re in the 8-10 spots?
Still wondering who the assistant GM is
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
honestly, if he didn’t make any other deals, who’s to say that he wasn’t getting the correct return? I am sure there are plenty of things that probably went on today that we will never know about.
Sexton's Job in Jeopardy
If it is a 4 stage process, what GM would not love to come to Florida. lots of draft picks and the owners will let you do what you want…..
If he made deals for a deals sake, then we would have more of the Luongo type trades, and everyone would be bitching about that.
Not in the slightest, but Florida still has to ice a full team, and so does Rochester
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
And CAR gets a second rounder as well. Jeez.
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
I guess I’m the only one who wanted to see Kreps gone, regardless of the return. If we had gotten a bag of onions back for him we could have made bloomin’ onions.
alright all, i’m outta here. i’ll be checking on twitter for anything coming down the pipeline, but i gotta say we’re done here.
I’m disappointed… for all of the wrong reasons. I admit they probably played it smart, got the good deals they could, and will finish the job over the Summer. I just really wanted to see certain guys cast off, for not skating hard, not caring, and not competing. I wanted vendetta moves!
donny
now that the hectic times are over for the day, did you ever get a response from support about me trying to change my sn?
Not yet, bro…but will email you when I do
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
If I was Sexton, I would worry about my job. He did not move anyone big, Panthers can certainly entertain job offers for the GM position. I actually think that Florida would be a pretty good gig now. You have several second round draft picks, a high first round draft pick, and the Panthers are willing to part with anyone on the roster except exceptionally young players….Mark it on your calendar now, Sexton may be gone after the season is over. Hopefullly, we can finally get a real NHL GM with previous playoff experience. Add some better scouts and hire some new assistant coaches. This could be great for Florida if the new owners can pull it off.
Now would be the ideal time if it had to happen. I still want to see what he’s got at the draft and July 1st.
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously? It takes two to dance. In fact, I am perfectly fine with today. No one is going to take Kreps or Olesz or Allen unless we packaged some serious assets ala Michal Repik and the like along with them.
by panthersfan27 on Mar 3, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
I’m calling the Roy acquisition nothing more than temporary filler for Rochester. What more can it be?
Anyways, I happen to like Byron Bitz, he reminds me of a Ryan Malone type of player. Gritty, always in front of the net…
I liked him as well. He’s cheap and has another year remaining.
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
Molson Anyone?!
Ok, so I just now get back and see that we’ve done virtually nothing except get a guy with two first names, and a guy with a really cool name!
So, other than shrug my shoulders and say that I’m not impressed, any suggestions on what I should say to Stu when he leans over the ledge to ask me “how’d we do” tonight?
That obviously includes deal made prior to it.
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
Lots of work yet to do. Can’t solve it all in a day.
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
true, yet I just can’t get past the fact that they were so pissed off a few weeks ago, and vowed changes and here we with pretty much the same roster.
I guess I was looking at this as an opportunity to make a splash and run for the playoffs, yet we seemed to ahve taken a step backwards.
The offseason is going to be huge, and perssonally, I don’t think Randy can pull it off.
by The Rat Trick on Mar 3, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
sorry my spelling has been awful, but our internet connection today is the pits!
by The Rat Trick on Mar 3, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
But they never said it would be rushed. Which is the right way to do it.
by Donny Rivette on Mar 3, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
Business is Business though, Sexton states he wants to the right the ship but he did not retool in the offseason properly. Don’t be surprised if he is gone in two months. He had all summer, and he brought up Leopold (who he traded) and Sidenberg (traded), Moore (traded). He was unable to find the guy that replaces Peltonen and Zednik…… He should be gone when the season concludes. Yes, he did draft Kulikov but we dont know if that was JM"s plan all along….
I think everyone is forgetting that due to the ownership issues his hands were totally tied during the offseason. He was the interim GM and therefore powerless to do much beyond what was done.
Also, if the offers aren’t there not much can be done. I like that they have avoided the Luongo scenario so far. And may Mike Keenan still live in denial that he didn’t ruin the franchise.
I may be the only one, but that trade didn’t ruin the franchise. Remember Luongo was offered alot of money, and at many different times, but would not committ.
If Alex Auld didn’t get hurt and wasn’t rushed back by Jacques Martin, and Todd Bertuzzi didn’t have a back injury, this wouldn’t ahve been such a bad deal.
I commend Keenan for trying to get something rather than lose Luongo for virtually nothing like Jay.
Take a step back and see that we traded Olli for two defenseman, one of which is no longer here, and we traded Jay for what is ultimately now two draft picks.
As for me, the Luongo trade was made four years ago and we’ve had time to fix goaltending. As for scoring, an area that has needed helps since 2001, we have yet to address that.
by The Rat Trick on Mar 3, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
Bailing for the moment, folks
Got to head out for a minute, then do a quick recap of the little that did occur, then head into game mode for tonight’s thriller against Philly.
Feel free to hang. Thanks everyone for being part of all this!
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