Can the Blackhawks and Flyers repeat?
The Stanley Cup has been awarded and the NHL season is over. As my wife put it this evening, "Today's the first day it's seemed like summer. The NHL season is over."
The Flyers and Blackhawks were very similar and it made for an exciting final. However, Chicago had the better goaltending. Michael Leighton was better than anyone expected and he was solid for most of the games, but Niemi was better. Another factor was fatigue. Philly’s top pair might be better than Chicago’s (and that’s certainly a debatable point), but Chicago’s bottom four are better. Especially their five-six pair. Laviolette barely used his bottom two in the whole playoffs. And while Chris Pronger is a workhorse, he was showing fatigue in the last couple of games. In game 5 he was on the ice for every Chicago goal except for the one where he was in the penalty box. In game 6 he took a few bad penalties and made some poor decisions. In addition, in both games (and game four) he took too many long shifts and got caught out on the ice leading to scoring chances for Chicago.
But the real question is: Can the two teams make it back next year?
The Blackhawks have a good young core, but are going to be in a tight cap space next year. Kane, Toews and Keith are getting huge raises. The team has four UFAs (John Madden, Adam Burish, Nick "The Beach" Boynton and Kim Johnsson) and eight RFAs (including Andrew Ladd, Ben Eager, Niklas Hjalmarsson and Antti Niemi). The 14 players they have signed are only $3 million under this year’s payroll. This year’s cushion was $336,000. They could easily use the rest of their cap space keeping Niemi. Cristobal Huet and $5.625 million a year salary need to go for sure. If they can do that and keep their RFAs for a reasonable price they can keep the core together and have a good chance at returning to the final. Someone's going to have to go, but good dealing can keep the trades to a minimum.
The biggest challenge to the Blackhawks in the Western Conference will likely be the Colorado Avalanche and Detroit Red Wings. The Sharks and Canucks are starting to acquire the stink of playoff failure and unless something changes drastically, they will not make it past the Conference Final yet again.
As for the Flyers, they have 16 players signed, with probably a $52 million cap hit. They had space this year and their payroll is $12 million less not counting bonuses. While the team has an insane 11 UFAs this off-season, they include Arron Asham and Lukas Krajicek, but also four goalies (Michael Leighton, Ray Emery, Sebastion Caron and Johan Backlund), oft-injured defenseman Mike Rathje and a bunch of minor-league players. Rathje and Emery’s careers are probably finished. Of their 7 RFAs, Dan Carcillo, Darroll Powe, Ryan Parent and Braydon Coburn are due significant raises, with Coburn's probably the biggest.
The biggest question, as always for the Flyers, is goaltending. They can probably easily keep the same group of forwards together, and with Rathje’s salary off the books, resign their RFA defensemen and have enough left over to pay a top-flight goalie if they can find one. Keeping in mind that this team was in the league basement before firing coach John Stevens and hiring Peter Laviolette and that once they learned his system had to claw their way into the playoffs before dominating the Devils and Canadiens and coming back from 3-0 against the Bruins, with a full year under Laviolette and a top-flight goalie the Flyers have the potential to win the Conference and challenge for the Cup again.
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Hawks will dump. Have to. Versteeg is a prime candidate. And keep in mind Toews’ bonus for winning the Conn Smythe ($1.3M I believe) counts toward Chicago’s cap next year. They’ve got issues.
If I’m wrong on the details please correct me :)
James Mirtle also adds that both Kane and Toews hit their performance bonuses which puts equals about $4MM against their cap next season.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 11, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d say the Flyers have a real shot at repeating. They need to get their goalie situation worked out, but most of their core is going to stay intact. Of course, there is much speculation in Flyerland that Jeff Carter will be moved to add a scoring winger, a goalie and that they’ll have some money under the cap to shore up the 3rd pairing on defense.
As for the Blackhawks, I’d say they are one and done. Yes, they have a nice young core, but they are going to get severely stripped down because of their cap problems. Huet is going to get demoted to the minors, I’d think they would shop Campbell (probably to limited takers) and at least one of their top line guys signed for $3MM will be on their way out. It’s going to be a much more interesting offseason for them then anything else.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 11, 2010 5:19 PM EDT reply actions
You think Campbell? I read someone earlier who thought it was going to be Byfuglien going (and Huet to the minors). I’m still all for them sending Patrick Sharp this way.
I’m excited about the Flyers’ chances. I think they have the best core they have in a long time and their cap situation is good for a couple more seasons. After next year, their only major free agents are Simon Gagne, Jeff Carter and Claude Giroux and then James Van Riemsdyk, Ian Laperriere and Matt Carle the year after. With good management, they can keep this core together for a few years.
Florida Panthers: Giving the league a punching bag since 2000.
Hawks, yes.
First, I’m glad the Cup is back on American Soil. The series was stellar, and generated great ratings in the U.S. markets (50% of all households in Chicago for game 6) and the most Canada in a long time, with respect to watching two American teams duke it out.
I think the Hawks are very poised to go the distance again. The goal-tending is great and the possess a young, talented roster. The Hawks also have proven they have the stamina and intensity to carry it well into post-season play. Their cap situation does pose a problem, but I think all the players know that their chemistry is magical, and want to continue it at all reasonable costs in order to win the Cup again.
The Flyers…well, never count them out; but without solid goaltending, it’s a gamble as to whether they can make it to the post-season. They certainly have a lot of talent though, albeit I don’t care for some of their dirty, some would say, cheap and cowardly tactics (not every player, mind you).
I have a hunch and certainly hope that Tallon can build the Cats similar to his spectacular composition that paid off the best way a franchise and its fans can ask for, in Chicago.
Who is everyone’s favorite pick for the Panthers in the draft? What differences in the lines/chemistry do you see for the upcoming season? Who do you think will have a breakout year and who will go through a major slump? Go Cats!
If no trade? Fowler.
And I’m of the mindset that CHI has a better chance of repeating than PHI, even given cap restraints.
by Donny Rivette on Jun 12, 2010 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Um, the last time the cup “left” American soil was in 1993 when the Canadiens won it.
And what, pray tell, are these “dirty, cheap, and cowardly tactics” that the Flyers employed?
On that first point, thank-yous can be directed to Marty McSorley.
by Donny Rivette on Jun 14, 2010 9:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Everybody’s a dirty player when their guy is injured on the play. Ovechkin was the devil when Brian Campbell got hurt but when Hossa made the same play, it was an accident and no problem that he came back in OT to score the game winner.
It’s all relative and the Flyers are going to be a bogeyman here for as long as Mike Richards’ career lasts.
Florida Panthers: Giving the league a punching bag since 2000.
While the Hawks do have cap trouble they will find a way to hold on to the core and make things work. The obvious players that can and may well be on the move are Versteeg, Huet, Sopel and possbily Big Buff. I don’t think Sharp is going anywhere, and the Campbell situation is dicey. He’s got a fat contract, but if you saw him play, you’d know how valuable he was. yes Tallon overpaid, but as far as Hawks fans are concerned he’s worth it. So a repeat is quite possible. They have some very good players in the minors that haven’t been able to crack the lineup.
As for the Flyers, goaltending is a major issue. I don’t think that Leighton is the answer, as he gave up some softies at crucial times. They ahve some players that are coming to the end of their deals as well. simon Gagne comes to mind as one. It will be interesting to see how they restructure. Their defence is also a question mark. Only four guys that they can count on. The 5th and 6th positions are weak. Over a long season that will take it’s toll.
Plus Pronger will be a year older. Maybe that hit by Buff rung his bell! Hope so!
I think of Campbell like Briere. Overpaid, but they still want him there because he’s a valuable player.
Goaltending is always a major issue for the Flyers. FWIW, I don’t think Paul Holmgren thinks Leighton is the answer. I fully expect him to make a move for a goaltender this summer.
Florida Panthers: Giving the league a punching bag since 2000.
Trade with the Panthers.
I could see the Flyers trading for Vokoun.
They have depth at Center so could give up Jeff Carter. They might also want our No3 pick and could include Ryan Parent in the deal.
This would give the Panthers a legitimate first line scoring center as well as a good young defenseman who could immediately play at the Panthers.
The Flyers get a No1 goaltender and a No3 they can use on a defenseman who can be allowed to develop in the minors.
Playing devil’s advocate here, but it should be said that Clemmer played with zippo in front of him at the WC.
by Donny Rivette on Jun 14, 2010 9:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I am of course referring to Clemmer’s personal stats after the third game or so.
by Donny Rivette on Jun 14, 2010 9:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm going to make a bold statement......
Am I wrong or right……….Vokie kept us in ALOT of games that we shouldn’t have been in…….I think we need to keep him this coming year and make some other trades and use that 3RD.pick to improve the team….With Booth healthy and Vokie between the pipes….a little more improvement and we’re there. Let’s become a little tougher…..Let’s get a team together that other teams DON’T want to play.
He won't resign
As we showed last year, we moved a number of veterans who were in the final year of the contracts.
Vokoun has a No Trade Clause so will only move to a contender, but he has apparently said he will definitely no resign, so unless we’re going deep into the play offs we need to maximise the value of that player, either in a good young player or a draft pick.
We can sign someone like Dan Ellis for a couple of seasons until Markstrom is ready.
I think Clemmer is a serviceable starter in net if the defense shows up every night.
Which, as we know, never happens.
In which case, does it matter who is in there? :)
Again, Clemmer did some great work at WC with little D in front of him.
by Donny Rivette on Jun 14, 2010 9:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed. Once he got the chance to play, he played well. He never looks comfortable out there but he makes the stops. No, he doesn’t make the really crazy stops and steal games, but who are we kidding, the Panthers need a couple of years to build. If it means picking up talented players who can score and are under contract for a few years, I’m all for sending off our All-Star goalie in his final contract year.
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I’m cool with that strategy on Tvo, as long as he’s dealt by the deadline. Have to get something.
by Donny Rivette on Jun 14, 2010 9:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

























