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From Mike @ FTR:

(Flyers left wing Simon Gagne) is a bona fide first-line player capable of scoring 40 goals who's also a good locker room guy and capable of playing both ends of the ice. He's got a reasonable cap hit ($5.2 million) and only has one year left on his deal, so there's no long-term commitment.

The draw back? Yeah, that whole injury thing. The problem with Simon Gagne isn't so much that his injuries prevent him from being a top-line player; it's that he's got those dreaded injuries that can reoccur at almost any moment, and once they happen, it's a long road back.

It's a terrific article, and illustrates well the problems inherent when dabbling in the top-line talent with an injury asterisk pool. Let's say the big guy's been given every assurance by the medical community that he's fit for action (shuffling his groin history to the dustbin if only for a moment):

Hypothetically, if the Panthers have an interest in Gagne one must determine first and foremost where to play him: his cap hit demands first-line action, bumping a presumably healthy David Booth to the second.

After that it gets financially terrifying among port wings: Rostislav Olesz, Cory Stillman, and Christopher Higgins - all under contract - to battle for two spots. Two spots which - in a perfect world - would host Stiller on the third and perhaps oft-injured but hard-working Kenndal McArdle on the fourth trio. And no, I don't pretend to know what to do with Rusty.

Of course, there's then the issue of whom to center Booth on the second line: Steven Reinprecht? Shawn Matthias? The talent pool drops precipitously thereafter.

So reasonably speaking, unless someone is dealt, Gagne's not coming to Sunrise. Admittedly though, it would be fascinating to watch him work alongside Stephen Weiss and Michael Frolik.

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Speaking of hypotheticals, what do we have for best Panther lines right now or what would be the projected opening day lines right now?

by JMarushin on Jul 15, 2010 11:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Sheesh

well, at present:

Booth – Weiss – Frolik
Higgins – Reinprecht – Dvorak
Stillman – Matthias – Bernier
Olesz – Taffe – Dadonov/Grabner/Repik

by Donny Rivette on Jul 15, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Man, we look pretty weak up the center, that’s for sure. I’d like to see what Grabner could do with some soild TOI.

Would Dadonov be happy with 4th line minutes or what is going to be the deal with him?

by JMarushin on Jul 15, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Although, Reino showed some good flashes last year, Weiss was a stud a lot of times, and Matthias has some upside, so we look weak but we have some potential

by JMarushin on Jul 15, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

PRAY for Matty to keep up the intensity and spunk he gained in the latter half of the season

by Donny Rivette on Jul 15, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that is for sure, I can see him using his size to make ice room for grabner to wheel and deal and let stillman pick up the garbage, that could be deadly!

by JMarushin on Jul 15, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interested to see how Tallon deals with that, our little Filatov situation. Though it sounds like Filatov is ready to come back and play if CBJ gives him a chance, and what with the need for scoring over there why the heck not. I don’t know about Dadonov though, maybe that’d work to loan him to the KHL for a season

by JMarushin on Jul 15, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

i dont think Grabner is a 4th line player….Dvorak isnt a 2nd line player either

by Colt1235 on Jul 15, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here's my two cents...

I’d like to see some more of Repik an Dadonov – to see what we have in them. However, here’s what I’d like to see of lines to begin the year. I wouldn’t call them a 1/2/3/4 line, but a continuous rolling of three lines and a checking line centered by Olesz – where his natural abilities might be best suited in a role similar to Dvorak, a defensive forward with limited offensive potential. The changed role might help increase his value in a trade – which would benefit this team the most.

Booth-Weiss-Bernier
Stillman-Reinprecht-Frolik
Higgins-Mattias-Grabner
McArdle-Olesz-Dvorak

by badger737 on Jul 15, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Dvorak-Olesz comparison has been made before, and it’s not without merit. Dvo was viewed as a far more offensive-minded forward as well, early on.

Strip away the Olesz criticisms – of which I am as guilty as anyone – and there’s a solid young Dvorak in the making. 15 goals, speed to spare, skilled on the PK. Good call.

by Donny Rivette on Jul 15, 2010 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Olesz

The only club I can see making a half-hearted run at him would be the Islanders (given their need to reach the cap floor), but we wouldn’t be getting much in return. Understandably.

by Donny Rivette on Jul 15, 2010 11:52 AM EDT reply actions  

Might be a sweet match playing alongside Tavares. I can dream…

by Donny Rivette on Jul 15, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, the Flyers gave his agent permission to start talking to teams. He’s one of my favorite players, but really, we need a center more. If they can ship a couple of guys off for a center, then maybe.

Florida Panthers: Giving the league a punching bag since 2000.

by John Beatty on Jul 15, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Without question, this entire argument takes a backseat to first-line center talk

by Donny Rivette on Jul 15, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I'm Tallon...

It all depends on what your giving up to get Gagne. If it’s not much, then you do it, IMO, beacuse the pros out number the cons. If he returns to his 40-goal form, and The Cats return to the playoffs, then they have the option of re-signing him next year and have lost nothing if he doesn’t. If he doesn’t play well, ends up missing massive ice time, then you part ways and his cap hit comes off the books, and you’ve STILL lost nothing. If The Cats are out of the playoff hunt and are sellers at the deadline, then you possibly can flip Gagne for picks and/or players and STILL lose nothing(but gain more for the future).

Now, again, this all hinges on what your giving up to get him, IMO.

We(who follow hockey) all know about Gagne’s inability to stay healthy, but we also KNOW about this hockey team we care about will(from the look of things) have a problem scoring goals. If you have the cap space, and the cost of acquiring him is minimal, then it’s really not a move that…if things fall into place…hurts you all that much if it doesn’t pan out, IMO.

As far as Rusty is concerned, if Tallon & Co’s biggest problem is whether or not to bury Olesz in the minors or give him(and his albatross of a salary) away for next to nothing, then…in the immortal words of the late great Richard Pryor…that’s just an ass-whippin I’ma have to take.

by Yzerfan on Jul 15, 2010 5:26 PM EDT reply actions  

As far as Rusty is concerned, if Tallon & Co’s biggest problem is whether or not to bury Olesz in the minors or give him(and his albatross of a salary) away for next to nothing, then…in the immortal words of the late great Richard Pryor…that’s just an ass-whippin I’ma have to take.

Well put, YF.

Kind of changes the mental playing field when considering a more-or-less permanent demotion – barring KHL sniffers – to the “A”: instead of whining about his maddening inconsistency and invisibility, the horror of Florida spending (salary-only, non-cap) $3.1, $3.4, $4.0, and $4.25M over the next four seasons on an admittedly underachieving five-year NHL veteran in Rochester (or wherever), who may yet break out offensively, begins to take solid form.

This is a stereotypical “toughie”.

by Donny Rivette on Jul 15, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

We’ll see what happens at camp. Maybe he plays his way on the team. Or maybe it’s waiver city. Don’t think he’s traded at this point, though, unless it’s to the Isles.

Florida Panthers: Giving the league a punching bag since 2000.

by John Beatty on Jul 15, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

It won’t matter – Olesz makes this team no matter what. He’s our cheaper version of Brian Campbell! However, like I said before – in the proper role, Olesz could still be a solid pro. I think that based on what I’ve seen of him playing – which includes him picking Crosby and Malkin on successive shifts a couple years ago – he’s got the hands and the body to be a solid defensive player. That makes him valuable, or else John Madden wouldn’t have just raised the Stanley Cup. DeBoer needs to have Skrewy and Dvorak teach him that role, they’ve played it perfectly and he certainly has the skills.

by badger737 on Jul 15, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

In defense of Brian Campbell, he did just win the Stanley Cup, whether the CHI gentry like him or not. And to those ‘Hawk fans hammering the guy, it’s a ridiculous position to stand by. What more did they want?

Regardless…as Badger stated, Olesz makes the club in September. Is there anyone in SoFla who doesn’t want the guy to exceed (the lowly) expectations? What happens if he goes on a tear and hits 65 points? I’ll tell you what happens: it was expected, part of the plan, a happy development, etc.

Meanwhile: whatever. We’ll take it.

by Donny Rivette on Jul 16, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

What happens if he goes on a tear and hits 65 points?

If Olesz broke 65 points this coming season I would build a school for underprivileged Czech children and name it after him.

by JDMorris on Jul 16, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

By that logic, there’s simply got to be a Jonathon Cheechoo School of Technology somewhere in Ontario

by Donny Rivette on Jul 16, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Only thing publicly on the books so far is rookie camp, mid-September or so.

by Donny Rivette on Jul 16, 2010 11:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

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