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Cats Recap: Panthers sloppy, fall to Penguins 4-2

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This was a tale of two teams: one that has had a few years to further refine itself after a huge Stanley Cup victory several seasons ago, dealing with the loss of two superstars due to injury yet still playing an incredibly successful game night in and night out; the other an amalgam of new faces and styles, still finding its way and forming that always-valuable chemistry among the roster.

After a solid opening night win, the Panthers rolled into Pittsburgh to face a Penguins team that would be playing its fourth game in six nights, but fatigue didn't matter as the Pens dropped Florida 4-2. The Panthers, who played a very disciplined and tight game against the New York Islanders on Saturday, looked quite different as they struggled to maintain possession and turned the puck over on a very regular basis. It's clear there's still plenty to work on for the Cats, but 80 games remain, with lots of time to fix the messy play folks saw on Tuesday night.

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1st

The Pens came in tired, but certainly didn't look like it. The period started out with a lot of energy from both squads with a lot of fast skating, end-to-end action and tenacious play on the puck. The Panthers got the first power play but were unable to score as Pittsburgh's penalty kill, tops in the NHL last season, continued its success. After a fair amount of pressure by the Penguins, the Cats committed a penalty with Ryan Carter heading to the box, but were able to kill it off. The Panthers then rebounded a bit with some puck possession time, but had a lot of trouble getting plays off in the offensive zone. Against tougher competition like Pittsburgh, it's clear that the Panthers still need time to get used to each other and start to develop more offensive chemistry. There's still a lot of "throw it on net, hope for the best," and the passing in the zone was less effective than the last game against the New York Islanders. Shortly after, the Pens struck first, with Pascal Dupuis hammering away at Jose Theodore without much help. Rookie Erik Gudbranson and defensive partner Ed Jovanovski were caught out of position and against a well-coached and very deep squad like Pittsburgh, you don't want to be out of position. After allowing the first goal, the Cats were back on their heels a bit, but nearly scored as Stephen Weiss had a backhand on an empty net but shanked it and didn't get it elevated, allowing Fleury to make a nice save. Tomas Fleischmann took a late penalty for hooking, giving the Pens a second powerplay chance, but the Panthers were able to clear it a few times and burn the penalty off. Both teams finished with 12 shots apiece for the frame, but the Panthers got schooled in the faceoff circle, 13-5.

2nd

Both teams came out at about the same intensity level, but the Panthers got called on a relatively weak boarding call against Jason Garrison early in the period. The Pens had some good puck possession but were unable to convert. The Cats PK still looks as solid as last year, and we all know how important the special teams will be for this team's success this season. After that, the Panthers didn't register much in the way of shots, as the Pens were able to use their system to keep the Panthers from anything but perimeter shots that were routine saves for Fleury. At around 8:30 left in the period, the Penguins struck again, with Matt Cooke dumping a shot past Theodore off a great feed from Joe Vitale. Shortly after a commercial break, Kevin Dineen was interviewed about the Panthers offensive pressure, saying, "We're trying to take the cute out of it, and put pucks at the net." No more than 15 seconds later did the Panthers do just that, with Marcel Goc getting his first of the year after a great rush up ice by Jack Skille. Shortly after, the Panthers got back on the man advantage with Cooke taking an interference call, and promptly allowed the Penguins to score a terrible shorthanded goal. A bad shift by Gudbranson and Jovanovski was followed up by a very bad turnover by Fleischmann, and after pinballing around a bit the puck ended up in the Panther net. Dineen and assistant coach Craig Ramsay will have a field day with that film. The Panthers got one last powerplay in the period, but were unable to convert and went into the third with a two goal deficit.

3rd

The Cats started the third period with some bad turnovers, which led to a bad tripping penalty by Dmitry Kulikov taking down Jordan Staal. The Panthers were able to kill off the penalty effectively and followed up with a quick tally by Fleischmann off a great point shot by Gudbranson and a nifty backhand feed by Weiss. This was all thanks to a faceoff win in the defensive zone by Weiss after the Penguins waited too long to line up. The play went back and forth again for most of the period until Staal muscled his way in to create a scoring chance, and caught the Panthers forwards flat-footed, as the rebound lay in the crease and no one picked up a streaking James Neal who hammered home the puck. The Cats then immediately got a powerplay but were unable to convert, and Pittsburgh's excellent neutral zone play shut the Panthers down the rest of the way. Theodore was pulled late in the game during the final Panthers powerplay with just under two minutes to go, but it didn't matter as the Penguins held on until the final horn.

 

Observations

  • The Panthers checking line of Shawn Matthias, Matt Bradley and Ryan Carter looked good throughout the game. It's clear that Dineen will be comfortable rolling four lines all season if that line continues it's play.
  • Through two games, Sean Bergenheim looks tentative and a bit out of place. If his mediocre play continues, you may see Evgeni Dadonov in his place.
  • The powerplay was ineffective tonight, and although it's only the second game, the coaching staff has to find a way to make sure the chances the Panthers get make a difference on the score sheet. Had the Cats been able to convert on even one man advantage, this would have been a very different game.
  • The Panthers clearly had to rise their play to their opponent if they wanted a shot to win this game, as the Penguins are a very talented and deep team (even without Sidney Crosby, Evgeni Malkin and Brooks Orpik). There were very long stretches of this game where the Cats simply couldn't compete with the long-developing chemistry of the Penguins. That said, it's only the second game, so it's a bit early to be concerned.
  • I have never watched a came where the Panthers turned the puck over as much as they did in this game. For a team that is interested in playing a puck possession game, they will need to drastically reduce those to make that game work for them.
  • If I ever hit the lottery and want to get in shape, I'm calling the strength and conditioning coach for the Penguins. For playing four games in six nights, they sure looked peppy.
  • Gudbranson had some real growing pains in this game. He looked nervous and was a step behind the Penguins forwards early on. After his shaky powerplay shift in the second period, Dineen cut back his ice time. He did pick it up in the third period though. It's good to remember that it's his second pro game against a very good team, and he's still finding his game in the NHL.
  • The Cats offense struggled to get quality scoring chances, taking lots of perimeter shots on Fleury throughout. It seems the breakouts and forecheck may need more time to develop, as well as timing. There were a lot of missed passes... a LOT.
  • Can someone explain to me how Mike Milbury is still involved with hockey? He was a terrible GM, he is god-awful on TV, and he turns an otherwise great Versus broadcast into something that makes you cringe. Hockey fans tune him out about as fast as people change the channel during the Super Bowl halftime show. That is, unless you like wardrobe malfunctions.
  • Kulikov had a rough game. It seemed like for every good play he made, he turned the puck over shortly thereafter. Hopefully he can turn it around; let's not forget Keaton Ellerby is waiting in the wings.
  • Brian Englomb, where's the mane? Father time has robbed us of one of the great heads of hair left in hockey. A moment of silence, please.
  • We saw this a lot last year, and we're already seeing it again: players aren't picking up a man during the transition game. Campbell, Kulikov, Kris Versteeg and a couple others were caught gliding back or flat footed as the very quick and very dangerous Pittsburgh transition game repeatedly created quality chances. Can't have that.

As always, you can check out our pals at PensBurgh for additional coverage. Next up: Saturday, October 15 is the Panthers home opener against the Tampa Bay Lightning, and we have the hottest ticket in the house, as we'll be watching live from the LBC Luxury Suite! A couple tickets still remain; if you're interested, follow the link to learn how to get in on the shindig. Goodnight folks!

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Thought that the team definately was MUCH mroe up tempo than previous years. Had some good cahnces, but just seemed to be gripping the stick too tight.

Some BAD plays around the net on the 2 goals against. Theodore didnt look too bad from my vantage point, so that was promising.

Thinking might be time for Ellerby and Dadonov to draw in this coming weekend.

Oh and, still not sure how it is that Pittsburgh does no wrong and Florida does no right on Vs. I swear there is a guide being handed out to the media on what to say about the Panthers. No respect… I could handle a loss, but the more I lsited to how the Pantehrs were not doing this adn that right, the more I wanted to find a way to come back and send the Vs. team home unhappy.

by saskpantherfan on Oct 11, 2011 10:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Versus thought this game was being played in early May

Or maybe it was just me, seeing an NBC and Panthers logo on the same screen. Like the broadcast, the game was hot and cold. All 4 lines creating chances with some crucial defensive lapses. Campbell continues to impress.

Seriously Turtle, Smoke More Weed

by Mannieblunts on Oct 11, 2011 10:48 PM EDT reply actions  

I’d agree that it was “sloppy” for FLA in that Pittsburgh was clearly the established club, doing what they do best. Lots to do, but Dineen won’t accept mediocrity, much less a single loss.

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by Donny Rivette on Oct 11, 2011 11:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Had the Panthers played this sloppy of a game against the Isles, they wouldn’t have been able to pull off a win in that game. Just far too many turnovers, bad passes and blown coverages. I definitely agree that the Pens are the better club right now, but Florida is definitely better than what they showed us last night.

It’s growing pains as a team, and they’ll get through it. I think we all know Dineen, Ramsay and Murph will not stand for the type of disjointed stuff that happened last night.

by Ryan Meier on Oct 12, 2011 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly. What’s more important than this game is the performance in the next two to three games.

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by John Beatty on Oct 12, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we have to realistically give the team 15 games to really start to give us empirical data to use. Right now we’re just so unsure of what to expect night in and night out.

by Ryan Meier on Oct 12, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. I was speaking more of the team’s resiliency. Can the coaching staff and leadership group get everyone focused and playing better? Can they put together two good games in a row? That sort of thing. But, yes, you need 15-20 games to have useful numbers for the remainder of the season or to start tracking trends and performance.

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by John Beatty on Oct 13, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea it would sure be nice to see win streaks of more than three games this year :)

by Ryan Meier on Oct 13, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still impressed so far, a good effort, not as solid as against the Islanders {two different types of opponents here} – but two thoughts. The Pens and their farm team in Wilkes Barre use the same system, so players that come up as replacements can easily assume a role as needed {Joe Vitale’s play, or Kris Letang playing left side inside of right side, for example}. This idea started when Ray Shero first came to Pittsburgh. That was back in 2007, so this resulting interchange takes time to jell. The Panthers do not have that just quite yet. It takes time.

Both Pittsburgh and Florida have a very good coaching staff. The Jack Adams wasn’t at the Consol this evening just to be on display. Florida has had two games under its belt with Kevin and Craig. Dan has been coaching since February 2009 but was down at Wilkes Barre prior to that. Sunrise was not built in a day.

Yes, the Power Play needs work. Who plays for the PP also needs to be looked at. No one looked really comfortable {I know the Pens PK is very good} and there was way too much blind, bad passing. But Jose Theodore and Marc Andre-Fleury both played strong games {Theodore is going to win his share} and the 5 on 5 was not as good as in the Islanders game. But it’s only game #2.

Don’t know how bad the Versus telecast was, but the Pens broadcasters had quite a few good things to say about the Panthers and their rebuilding summer. It’s encouraging – but give it time.

It's always a great day or night for hockey - no matter the time or place!

by spiker97 on Oct 11, 2011 11:01 PM EDT reply actions  

That’s a very good point about the systems being similar. The Cats and the Rampage are trying to do something similar, with Rampage head coach Chuck Weber and Dineen working together during the offseason to try and have some similarities in their styles of play so that the Panthers can have that type of flexibility in the future. Hopefully it pans out and Florida can have as much success with it as Pittsburgh has.

I agree about the man advantage. I think the personnel on the PP is still being worked out too. I am a big advocate for Gudbranson to continue playing the point though, as his first pass is generally great and he has an absolute cannon. I was disappointed with Kulikov’s play overall last night, and his PP time was mediocre at best.

by Ryan Meier on Oct 12, 2011 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s an important point about the systems matchups and Dan Bylsma coming up from Wilkes-Barre. That was probably a large part of why he was so immediately effective when he replaced Michel Therrien. He took a team that was 27-25-5 to 18-3-4 down the stretch and a Stanley Cup. Same players, same system, different voice. It wasn’t like last year’s Devils where everyone had to learn a new system under Jacques Lemaire and it took several weeks before the team came together.

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by John Beatty on Oct 12, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

A lot of those players had played under Bylsma previously as well. Kinda the same situation in Washington with Boudreau when he took over. At one time, the entire Devils’ system was set up to play Lemaire’s system. That’s why players that would seem insignificant could step into any role on the Devils and immediately contribute.

The other contributing factor in the systems is ownership. You’ll notice that most of the successful teams when it comes to prospects smoothly flowing into the big club, is same ownership. Devils owned their affiliate, Pens currently own their affiliate. Kinds currently own their affiliate. The Flyers owned their affiliate until recently. Teams that bounce around like the Panthers have, don’t have the luxury of satisfying themselves. That was a big problem the team had in Rochester.

by MrOmnipotent on Oct 12, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

woo... adrenaline is pumping..

on to my thoughts..

1. Gudbranson despite making a few mistakes still looked good out there tonight once he got over the initial shock of them.
2. Same about Flash, made a mistake that cost us a goal but kept up his usual pressure and even scored later on..
3. Versteeg! Even though Pitt made it tough to crack the defense he still kept going at it working to get into the zone, putting pressure on and making chances.
4. Jovo.. isn’t he supposed to be covering for Gudbransons mistakes? where was he tonight?
5. tough break for Theo, even though the defense broke down on 3 of our goals against he still could have made better attempts.
6. PowerPlay.. is Hulton still in town or something?

that being said, I can’t wait for opening night!

by Rob PKane McMahon on Oct 11, 2011 11:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Guds looked rough to start, but calmed himself down and had a great third period. He showed good resiliency bouncing back the way he did. I really like his play so far and as he continues to mature, learn and calm down, he is going to be a fantastic player on this team and a true anchor on the blueline.

I don’t think anyone should be blaming Theo for the goals scored on him last night. On the goals by Dupuis, Cooke and Neal, the defense didn’t man up and do their jobs. He made the first save on the Butters turnover too, but no one picked up Park and he had an easy rebound goal. The D is still learning to gel as well and needs to get better at coverage. I have no doubt they will in time.

by Ryan Meier on Oct 12, 2011 8:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

What forecheck last night is my thought? They were unable to keep up with the Pens, and made preseason errors. There needed to be a lot more hitting last night for the Panthers, and instead I watched Pens beat up the Panthers in the first period.

Glad that the panthers have some more practice time, they are going to need it so they look good for opening night. If they come out with some sharp D, tampa wont know what hit them (as evidenced by the lack of D against the caps on Monday night).

by Hawkseye on Oct 12, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Kulikov’s overall play, but he was a hot mess last night.

I think the entire team forgot to tape their sticks last night because I have never seen so many passes mishandled. Not to mention there were a lot of passes at people’s feet or behind them.

I’m going to chalk this one up to lapses in focus, because there were times where everything clicked and they looked terrific, but there were gaps where they just fell apart and misplayed everything.

I’m looking forward to Saturday, should be a nice and exciting rebound game.

by 34Beezer on Oct 12, 2011 8:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Completely agree, it looked like everyone’s timing was off and they were gripping the sticks too tight. I wouldn’t expect this game to be the norm moving forward.

by Ryan Meier on Oct 12, 2011 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m going to chalk this one up to lapses in focus, because there were times where everything clicked and they looked terrific, but there were gaps where they just fell apart and misplayed everything.

There was a definite sense of “awe” early on by the Cats, like reality had finally set in. Plenty of work for everyone.

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by Donny Rivette on Oct 12, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not to make excuses, but...

OK it seems like the consensus is that the Panthers were sloppy, timing was off, bad passing, etc…

Maybe the bar was set to high against the Isles, but when you play a team as fast and as cohesive as Pittsburgh, you’re going to look sloppy. As soon as one of the good guys got the puck on his stick, there was a black shirt there to poke, whack, hit, and generally annoy him. This will lead to turnovers and ill-timed passes. On the PP? Pitt hasn’t given up a PPG in the first 3 games, and didn’t last night obviously. Again, they play an incredibly aggressive PK, getting a stick on the puck every chance. The Islanders just don’t have the speed or skill to play that way. There’s a reason why the Pens have been among the Cup favorites for 3-4 years now, and clearly it’s not just the Kid and Malkin.

Our time will come. I thought there were a lot of positives last night. Weathered the 1st period storm and fought back. Except for a fluke goal off of Kuli’s knee (albeit after a horrid Flash turnover), it was a 2-2 game after the 1st. I just don’t think the Penguins are getting enough credit for causing the majority of the Panthers problems.

This season, I want to beat the ‘Canes, Rangers, Habs, and Lightnings of the world. Those mid-level playoff teams. How do we compete against them? With 12 new guys learning to gel, losing the 2nd game of the season to one of the best in the league in their home opener is going to happen. Once November rolls around, I want to see us match up with the teams we’ll be (hopefully) fighting for playoff spots for. This optimism thing is new to me, and new things scare me, but so far I’m liking what I see…

by kSelvig on Oct 12, 2011 12:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Well said. Like I said last night in the game thread, the victory over the isles inflated our expectations greatly. I’m guilty of that too. Although PIT outworked us for most of the game and looks like a team in mid-season form, the Panthers did play a bit sloppy. Passes weren’t connecting on the stick, but on skates instead; Defense was lacking in front of Theo.

We just need to see how they bounce back on Saturday in our Home Opener. Got a rough week ahead of us, home and home against the Lightning and then to Washington to visit Vokoun. I believe!

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by Sdiaz6215 on Oct 12, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with everyone giving the Pens credit for their play; they are a very tenacious club on both ends of the rink. They played well and they forced a lot of turnovers. That said, there were a ton of Panther turnovers that could have been controlled or avoided.

If my words sounded a bit harsh, it’s because they were intended to get across what I saw, which was just sloppy play overall from the Cats. Is it the end of the world? Good god no! It’s only two games, and the Pens are a fantastic team, one of the NHL’s best. Not to mention the Cats are still developing lines and chemistry. No reason to overreact or worry; I am just giving you all a recount from my POV, as it’s my journalistic duty to do so.

by Ryan Meier on Oct 12, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

This optimism thing is new to me, and new things scare me, but so far I’m liking what I see…
 I agree

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by RPC on Oct 12, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Versus (nbc sports) Coverage for Penguins/Panthers

Versus awful….awful… I really hated how Mike and Co. picked on Sean Bergenheim in the second intermission. They had nothing nice to say about him, ….t he did not deserve the contract that he got, and tampa was right not to resign him…said they doubted that he would score more than 8 goals or something like.

Granted, he did not play well. But why spew such stuff out when it is only the 2nd game for the Panthers fo the season….

I hope Sean Bergenheim was taping that broadcast last night, it would be good motivation for the future for him to show Mike and Co. up.

by Hawkseye on Oct 12, 2011 12:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Part of that is his own fault. He was expected to be a more prolific goal scorer when first drafted, but ended up bouncing around Europe a couple seasons cause of money. He’s never shown that scoring ability, except in the playoffs last season. Trust me, I had him in a few fantasy leagues in the seasons past, hoping he’d be a breakout player.

by MrOmnipotent on Oct 12, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Guess who drafted him? Mr. Milbury. Maybe he was one of many potential filled propsects who didn’t fully pan out, but I doubt Milbury holds any personal grudge against Bergenheim specifically…. or maybe he does. He also traded away Zdeno Chara, Wade Redden, Bryan Berard, Eric Brewer, Darius Kasparaitis, and Bryan McCabe; goalies Roberto Luongo and Tommy Salo, as well as forwards Olli Jokinen, Todd Bertuzzi, Tim Connolly, and Raffi Torres… (thanks wikipedia for confirming my suspicion that he is a hockey moron)

I guess I can be thankful for not having to watch Versus anymore this season…

by kSelvig on Oct 12, 2011 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Worst. GM. Ever.

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by John Beatty on Oct 13, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

He bashed his own former organization last night – for picks he made.

Can’t make this stuff up.

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by Donny Rivette on Oct 12, 2011 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know quite well who drafted him. He single handedly almost killed a franchise.

by MrOmnipotent on Oct 13, 2011 5:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I knew perfectly well who drafted him. but the man almost single handedly killed an NHL franchise. How can anyone take what comes out of his mouth seriously?

And I actually liked Vs before the NBC merger. I just always turned off the volume during intermission reports. They used local commentators usually, so I expected homerism, but it wasn’t the usual guys with an agenda. Milbury always has an agenda.

by MrOmnipotent on Oct 13, 2011 5:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes he does. He’s also crapped all over himself during the Olympic coverage last time around, referring to the Russian’s game as, “eurotrash.”

He’s just the worst; I don’t understand how or why NBC/Vs. keeps him around when there are so many better options out there.

by Ryan Meier on Oct 13, 2011 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Because people watch his segments just to complain about them. If more people tuned out then they might consider hiring someone else.

And what do they care? They make the NHL find the sponsors for hockey games anyway.

"We don't need the designated goon. Those fights aren't even fun to watch." -Mike Milbury

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by John Beatty on Oct 13, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know if that’s the case this time around with the new NBC deal they signed. And Vs is responsible for finding the sponsors for their games.

I did catch the Bruins-Canes game in repeat on NHL network this morning. I’ve never seen them replay a game from Vs or NBC before, except the playoffs.

by MrOmnipotent on Oct 13, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still no reason to bash a third line player on national tv…..

by Hawkseye on Oct 12, 2011 8:01 PM EDT via iPhone app reply actions  

Exactly, no one has huge expectations for 3rd liners. If he was talking about someone on the top line, sure, but not a guy who gets 12-15 minutes a night. So stupid.

I’m putting here for reflection later on in the season…. #14 Tomas [Fleischmann] is getting a 40G season. FLASH COUNT: 1G/1A
by RPC on Sep 17, 2011 5:20 PM MDT
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by Chris S Roberts on Oct 12, 2011 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Except he’s getting paid like a second liner.

Anyway, who cares? We’re talking about MILBURY! No one takes him seriously.

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by John Beatty on Oct 13, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

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