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Facing Off: Should Jacob Markström be the Panthers' starting goaltender?

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This week's topic: Should Jacöb Markstrom be the starting goalie for the Panthers?

Our featured authors: Donny & Alex

We all saw the numbers from the preseason, and numbers rarely lie: Jose Theodore struggled throughout the "don't count" games, giving everyone a very uneasy feeling that he'll barely be able to tie Tomas Vokoun's shoes, let alone fill them. Meanwhile, possibly the best goalie in the world not starting in the NHL waits in the wings. Is it time to bring Jacob Markström in as the starter this season, or is it too early to trust the youngster with the reins?

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Alex Says:

Starting Jacob Markström may not be as insane as you might think.

Experience and success at minor league levels
Before coming over to North America, Markström played for Brynäs IF in both J20 SuperElit and Elitserien. For those who don't know, the Elitserien, or Swedish Elite League, is the highest hockey league in Sweden, and one of the most respected hockey leagues in the world. Just like in the AHL, Markström played against players more experienced than him and was able to come out on top, winning Elitserien Rookie of the Year in 2010 and IIHF Best Player Award for goaltender at the World Juniors in 2009. Unlike Erik Gudbranson and Jonathan Huberdeau, Markström has experience with older players and North American ice.

Trial by fire
While experience in the AHL would help Markström develop, experience in the NHL could help even more. With a veteran defense, a head coach with success in developing young players, and a Vezina Trophy winner to mentor him, Markström could learn more in the NHL than he can in the AHL. Also, what's the worst than could happen? He has a rookie season like Marc-André Fleury and Cam Ward (regular season)? If Markström can't handle the heat, then bench him and send him back to the AHL. But if he can, we don't need to wait until next season for him to challenge Théodore for the number one spot.

 

Donny Says:

Though he's been a starter virtually everywhere he's played, the Panthers can't help but be responsibly cautious with Markstrom's North American development, which began to show steady improvement despite a very mediocre Rochester club in front of him in 2010-11. The forty minutes of NHL regular season experience under his belt - sent to the fire in relief of Scott Clemmensen during a burgeoning 5-2 loss at the hands a surging Devils squad - was an inauspicious start, though the defeat was not entirely of his own making, stopping 12 of 14 shots just as New Jersey began a memorable yet maniacal run up the standings. And there you have his National League resume.

That said, could Markstrom shove aside a proven veteran in Jose Theodore for that golden Number One spot? Based on what we've seen in the preseason, it's a completely feasible possibility; everyone has looked shaky, "Marky" only less so. For the purpose of this argument, let's suppose Jose quickly collects himself some ugly stats amid a sea of "L"s. This on a rebuilding roster, many of whom only knew each other previously as The Opposition, with two of the three coaches still hunting for homes in the area. The intended backup going into the year is out another three weeks at best, and you still have yet to meet Winnipeg (um, kidding).

This is a frightening scenario in which to break in your future "all world" goaltender. Yes, he's got a shiny disposition with a stellar attitude second to none, and oodles of successful international experience as well, but such qualities can only go so far amid the potential reality of wandering that confidence-sapping wasteland of a brutal rebuild. So few are up to the task; perhaps he - at 21 years of age - is. In the meantime let's continue crossing fingers and blowing kisses in Theo's direction.
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The season hasn’t started yet, no need to hit the panic button and possibly screw the kid up. If the season is 10 games in and everything looks good except for goaltending than maybe. Markstrom started slow last season in Rochester but many of us agreed he was only getting better before he got injured.

by keithwozniak on Oct 3, 2011 8:54 AM EDT reply actions  

No way, let him develop more in San Antonio, which looks to be one of the better teams in the AHL this year on paper.

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by panthersfan27 on Oct 3, 2011 9:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Everyone is disgusted with Joseys’ preseason performance…..I’m sure even himself….He’s much better than that and will show it when it counts. [he can’t be THAT bad]….Give him 10 games to get his s#*T together……If he can’t cut the mustard……bench him and bring in Jacob.

by LAUSMAN on Oct 3, 2011 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

On a bit of dangerous ground here...

And I’ll explain why:

If you start Marky without so much as giving Theo a chance….especially based on a preseason in which veterans don’t place much emphasis on…you might run the risk of losing some of the veterans in the locker room before you even drop the opening puck, IMO. It may not seem like much, and it’s an angle not many are mentioning, but it’s a distinct possibility. What kind of message does it send to your vets if a guy who you bring in to be your #1(and let’s face it, he wasn’t brought in to compete with Marky or Clemmer, realistically) doesn’t even get a chance to DO the job because he doesn’t perform well in the “preseason”? C’mon, if that’s the case then have the rosters on half the teams in The NHL would be benched, sent down, or outright waived, LOL.

On the flip side, Kevin Dineen has an obligation to put the best players on the ice, players that HE best feels will help him win as many hockey games as possible and get this club back to the playoffs REGARDLESS, PERIOD, END-O-STORY. If he feels that Marky is the netminder that best gives his club that chance, then he owes it to the fans, management, and the hockey club to make that move. He’s seen enough hockey in his lifetime to know when a guy is just trying to get back in a rhythm and taking it slowly, or when he’s just plain fighting it and is a time bomb waiting to go off, IMO. This may be his first NHL head coaching gig, but is sure as hell ain’t his first rodeo, so to speak, so the onus is upon him and him alone….that why he’s here…that’s why he has the title…that’s where the buck stops………….Choose wisely, Kevin

by Yzerfan on Oct 3, 2011 9:13 AM EDT reply actions  

The Second Paragraph:

Is ALL that matters. You start the best players as determined by preseason games and practices. If Theodore has a strong week in goal during practice, he gets the nod. If Markstrom has the better week, he’s between the pipes this Saturday night on Long Island. This team is a solid decade into a run of non-existence and complete anonymity. Worrying about losing the vets in the locker room is the last thing I’d be concerned with. They want to win no matter who’s stopping the pucks.

by VanMurph on Oct 3, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Whoever is the best goalie in the net should be the starter not most experienced. Please see Neuvirth and Holtby with the Caps for proof.

by Hawkseye on Oct 3, 2011 9:55 AM EDT via iPhone app reply actions  

Everyone needs to chill about the Cats goaltending situation. Bottom line is that Clemmer is injured, and out of Markstrom and Plante, Markstrom is the better goalie. If he outplayed Plante then he has earned his spot. Clemmer is not out for the season and will return, and when he does, Markstrom will continue to develop in San Antonio with a few more NHL games under his belt. Theo is the starter unless he proves otherwise.

by Nick Lepore on Oct 3, 2011 9:59 AM EDT reply actions  

Everyone needs to chill about the Cats goaltending situation

This made me smile :)

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by Donny Rivette on Oct 3, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Best goalie plays. We’ve had enough losing for a decade.

Also, OT, some news on Huby.

@TSNBobMcKenzie: FLA will make final decision later today on Jonathan Huberdeau and whether to keep him or send him back to Saint John of the QMJHL. As well as he’s played, Huberdeau is still a little physically immature. Sounds like Panthers may be leaning toward sending him back but there will be discussion with Huberdeau, agent, family, coaches, management. Still not signed either so there’s that too.

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by Sdiaz6215 on Oct 3, 2011 10:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Doing they’re due diligence with regards to getting input from ALL parties involved(private or otherwise). Still, you KNOW Huby is going to say he wants to stay. Ultimately, it’s gonna be Tallon who says yea or nay.

by Yzerfan on Oct 3, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think a better question would be WILL Markstrom be the #1 guy at some point in this season. Clearly (at least to me) Theo is the starter for game 1. And this team is going to need more than a 10 game sample to see what it can do. Theo’s the guy, he’s a pro, he knows he has had a shaky start and will be better when it matters (I think). Maybe in the first month with Clemmer out, Markstrom gets a start or two to rest JT, but in no way should he be the NHL’s club #1G.

by kSelvig on Oct 3, 2011 11:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Clearly (at least to me) Theo is the starter for game 1

That’s about the only absolute in the equation (barring injury during practice).

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by Donny Rivette on Oct 3, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Team doesn’t need a 10 game Sampler……Teddy does.

by LAUSMAN on Oct 3, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I just don’t know what a 10 game stretch in the first 2 weeks of the season would prove. What if they go 2-6-2? Clemmer’s gonna come back, what do we do with him? I don’t know the financial details of the NHL’s processes, but something tells me it’s realistic to see him cut because Theo struggled in the first 10 games. And I know he’s not gonna wind up in the A if we try to send him down or something.

by kSelvig on Oct 3, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotta admit...

The comment about Staios on The Island made me giggle.

by Yzerfan on Oct 3, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I liked this part of it better..
Real life hockey that counts is just days away, folks. And that means you’re about to be inundated with predictions from experts of all types.

Will TSN continue to act like the Jets have a legitimate shot at doing anything of note? Of course. Will Barry Melrose be pulled from his tanning bed deep beneath the ESPN studios so he and Linda Cohn can predict yet another 82-0-0 season for the Rangers? Yes. Will Bleacher Report steal those predictions word-for-word? Obviously, and with the requisite “presenting it as a 34-page slideshow.”

:D

by Rob PKane McMahon on Oct 3, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

and you still have yet to meet Winnipeg (um, kidding).

This made me laugh

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by Kevin Sellathamby on Oct 3, 2011 11:59 AM EDT reply actions  

Huberdeau back to juniors. Good decision.

by kSelvig on Oct 3, 2011 12:33 PM EDT reply actions  

#FlaPanthers HC Dineen announces Gudbranson will play in first #NHL game Saturday, Huberdeau @JonnyHuby11 will go back to play junior

Not happy that they didn’t give him the 9 games, but they have their reasons. He better come back next year looking beastly.

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by Sdiaz6215 on Oct 3, 2011 12:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Impressive preseason, sure. But playing against full teams at regular season pace and a full schedule… he will be better served with one more year in juniors.

by kSelvig on Oct 3, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I think the bigger surprise is Gudbranson making the opening night roster. So where does that leave our D?

Jovo, Kuli, Campbell, Weaver, Ellerby, Garrison, Gudbranson… Not that it isn’t good to have options, but someone’s gonna be sittin’.

by kSelvig on Oct 3, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not much of a surprise to be honest. They said a while ago they were going to start with 7 dmen. More surprising is that Kostka hasn’t been cut yet. Seems to be between him and Ellerby.

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by Sdiaz6215 on Oct 3, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well...

We KNOW the top 3 will be any combo of Kuli, Jovo, and Soupy, from there, we get a better idea of just how Dineen sees this team, and the “D” corps in general. I’d love to hear Murph’s take on the whole situation, personally.

by Yzerfan on Oct 3, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good news on both fronts.

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by Donny Rivette on Oct 3, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

At least...

They made the decision and didn’t leave it until Tuesday. Make a decision and stick by it.

Hope Huby has another great season, and he comes back to camp next year to a team that has A LOT better idea of who it really is, collectively, and what it needs to take another step back to respectability.

by Yzerfan on Oct 3, 2011 12:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Huberdeau

is the future of this franchise, bank on it! he will be that much better at the start of 12-13! though we may not live to see him play a full season, it’ll be an interesting start to say the least!

by stopdropandbreathe on Oct 3, 2011 12:56 PM EDT reply actions  

I think Theo should start the first few so we can see where he’s at, if he isn’t doing so hot, start phasing in Markstrom. I think ‘starter’ probably isn’t a term that will fit Marky, Theo or Clemm. They’ll all probably spend some amount of time as the ‘starter’.

I’m putting here for reflection later on in the season…. #14 Tomas [Fleischmann] is getting a 40G season.
by RPC on Sep 17, 2011 5:20 PM MDT
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by Chris S Roberts on Oct 3, 2011 1:04 PM EDT reply actions  

My take

Anyone who is familar with my NHL bloging knows I’m not a Theodore fan. Yes he won games in Washington but I always felt it was more due to the team around him than his goalie skills.

That said, I think Florida should start him. I don’t expect the results to be pretty but Markstrom I feel needs more time. Florida opens the year with 3 games in 8 days. Unless Theodore totally implodes, I’d start him all the first two games of the season at least. Beginning Oct 17, the Cats play 4 games in 8 days against Tampa , Wash, Buff, and NYI. I’d start Markstrom against Tampa and NY. Or do this, start Markstrom against TB on both Oct 15 and 17 and Theodore in all the other games through Oct 22.

It would have been best for all concerned if Markstrom had started the year in SA. I feel he still needs time in the minors but Clem’s injury has moved up the timetable. Florida should ease Markstromi into a bigger role. We want to develop and be the team’s goalie for many years to come not rush him.

by Bill Jempty on Oct 3, 2011 1:19 PM EDT reply actions  

On the subject

Lambert’s bold predictions this season: “15. Jacob Markstrom(notes) will at some point take over the Panthers’ starting goaltending job.”

by eliran2 on Oct 3, 2011 1:55 PM EDT reply actions  

can’t argue with sending Huberdeau down. it’s the right call although it would have been nice to see what he could do in the regular season.

I would not be surprised for Gudbranson to play the 9 games and then go back to Juniors if he doesn’t earn a regular shift. Kingston can always trade him to a contender to make his stay in the OHL a little more tolerable.

by Todd Little on Oct 3, 2011 3:43 PM EDT reply actions  

If you honestly believe Theo was meant to be the #1, you're fooling yourself

Much like the Panthers have done with their repeated press releases over the years, they used his signing as a spin maneuver to cover up the loss of Vokoun, and still sell tickets.

Theo is and hasn’t been starting material in quite some time. He was brought in as the lead portion of a tandem/platooning situation. At best. He is signed to a reasonable, two year contract, while Clemmer has a single season left (thus making him expendable around the deadline). Theo was just brought in to keep the seat warm, while Markstrom grills a little longer until ready. Theo is a back-up tender at this point in his career and can show signs of being worthy of more, on occasion, but extended periods of hm playing do not benefit his team (similar to Martin Biron, who just can’t show the consistency). Theo’s best season was on the back of an emotional roller coaster that was Saku Koivu’s return from cancer. It was a product of the team’s ability to raise its game, not just his own production.

That was the benefit of having Clemmer, who also is capable of doing solid stretches. He showed he can backstop a solid defensive team for an extended period, but has since shown with Florida, that he is incapable of being the go to goalie for 65+ games a year. His contract is up at the end of the year, and could either be trade bait, or allowed to walk at the end of the year, opening a spot for Markstrom next season.

This season was meant to be all about discovery in the eyes of management. Don’t fool yourself into believing otherwise. Yes, they can release statements or interviews to the press stating otherwise, but much like every fan here, management is guessing at what they have. They’re hoping the skaters develop chemistry sooner than later. They’re hoping the prospects get another season maturing in every aspect of the game before possibly being relied upon. And they’re hoping the freshness of new faces reinvigorates a fanbase that has become apathetic after a decade on ineptness.

Now Markstrom. He was gonna get the chance to showcase his ability to be the starter at some point this season. It was expected to be near the end of the year, when Clemmer had hopefully been traded away as a playoff rental. But circumstances change. He now has six to eight weeks potentially, to win a job that many have him predestined for. And he should be given the opportunity to play, because sitting the bench in the NHL will be just as bad as sitting the bench anywhere else, when it comes to his development.

I have predicted previously, that Markstrom would be the starter for the Panthers by the All-Star break. Mostly out of belief, that Theo is gonna look horrendous backstopping a team searching for its own identity and chemistry. I had figured that Clemmensen would be gettin traded about this time. Just an intuition. But if Markstrom wins the job now, and he should be given every opportunity to do such, Theo is the one looking to be demoted, as he is less likely to be claimed on waivers than Clemmensen, especially if his play is as horrible as I am expecting.

Best place for Markstrom is a few more months playing with the future down in San Antonio. Best place for the Panthers right now, is having the kid learn on the job, playing the big boys. You still have two solid back-ups if the kid falters, who can step in and play spot duty. To play game #1, you go Theo. Game #2 depends on Theo’s performance. Game #3 and every game after goes to the hot hand. And I’m expecting that to belong to Markstrom on more nights than not.

by MrOmnipotent on Oct 3, 2011 6:02 PM EDT reply actions  

I normally disagree with you, MrO, but you are spot on with the goal tending situation.

by Colt1235 on Oct 3, 2011 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only thing I disagree with, is that you said the Panthers signed Theo, due to the loss of T-Vo…..he wanted to see if he could get a better offer than what the Panthers offered & didn’t want to accept just yet. Due to that, the Panthers signed Theo, in case T-Vo did go elsewhere & didn’t want to be caught with their pants down, so to speak. When T-Vo didn’t get an offer better than what the Panthers were willing to give, T-Vo tried to see if the offer was still on the table, but they had gone with Theo.

No doubt the Panthers are using getting the Theo signing to the best advantage & are spinning it any way they can.

by CLG_74 on Oct 3, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tallon had already resigned himself to losing Vokoun before the free agent frenzy officially started, regardless of who he signed to replace Vokoun. That’s why Theo was signed so fast. Two, maybe three hours after it all started? Maybe?

by MrOmnipotent on Oct 4, 2011 5:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

That is true, BUT T-Vo had 1st dibs prior to UFA day & passed……hence they had to strike once UFA day hit.

by CLG_74 on Oct 4, 2011 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually Murph, you made a similar comment on the official website’s board a few years back, the ONLY time I ever posted there. It was about the business agenda of the organization, who they were targeting, and how they were abusing the average fan. Back before most fans were disgruntled. I can’t seem to find a link to it, so I’m guessing, it has be erased as it was extremely critical.

But thank you for the compliment, again.

by MrOmnipotent on Oct 4, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

As for Hubs and the Guds

Best thing for them is to be sent down. Hubs didn’t have a contract and wasn’t really expected to, so no nine game extended try-out for him.

Guds on the other hand gets that try-out. I’m betting Tallon already has him slated to return to juniors after playin nine games, unless. Unless he performs so lights out, he forces the Panthers to keep him by earning a top four spot now. That means, playing like a top pairing defenseman but receiving a second pairing role. Panthers are gonna carry seven defensemen all season, and play only six (for a few I read who seem to think a team only has six on the roster). The kid needs to show in his nine game audition, the Panthers have a reason why to sit Ellerby or Garrison and stunt their development. If he at best, plays on par as they do, he should go back to juniors and roast a little more.

by MrOmnipotent on Oct 3, 2011 6:11 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree about Huberdeau but not about Gudbranson. I don’t think another year will do Gudbranson any good in that toxic situation with the Frontenacs. He certainly has outgrown Junior by leaps and bounds. Obviously, if he struggles majorly in his first 9 games then yeah, probably a good idea to send him down. But I personally don’t see that happening.

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by panthersfan27 on Oct 3, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

He doesn’t necessarily have to stay with the Frontenacs. He can try and put the power of Tallon behind him, and force a trade.

by MrOmnipotent on Oct 3, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that is a little more drama Guds doesn’t need. I wouldn’t be upset if he was sent down at all, since we have 7 starter D men that I would be happy to have starting, but I really want him to make the team.
 
As for Garrison, I dont think he is “growing” anymore, he IS 27 (or 28?). If he sits, he sits, I really could care less as long as Guds is playing good. Same with Weaver, but do not sit Ellerby (unless he plays horrible). Keep him and Kulikov together.

by Colt1235 on Oct 3, 2011 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

What the kid could use, is some more mental maturing. Every kid could use that. His talent and physical abilities might not grow like everyone might hope, but his ability to deal and prosper in an adverse situation will go a long way in him mentally being prepared for the NHL. Especially with dealing with the finnicky Florida fanbase.

Let’s not forget what number he is wearing. The last kid to wear that number with such high expectations failed in the eyes of the Florida fans, even tho 18 years later, he’s just now out of the NHL.

by MrOmnipotent on Oct 4, 2011 5:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Isn’t that why the Panthers signed Jovo?

by Alexander Calloway on Oct 4, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its a different situation. Its about learning whether he’s the type to cry and sulk about being demoted again, or if he raises to the next level and tries to carry the team above and beyond its capabilities. It’ll be part of his maturation into being a team leader.

by MrOmnipotent on Oct 4, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with you Mr. O. That being said, I think a full NHL season will do him wonders, much more than being sent down would do.

by Ryan Meier on Oct 4, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with that also. I think he’s ready to play a #4 role on this team at present. I’m just saying, being sent back to juniors won’t be as detrimental as many think it would. It just might stagnate his growth in ability. He won’t have the same competition driving him to get better on the ice by being in juniors. But not all aspects of the game are learned on the ice, or even on game day.

by MrOmnipotent on Oct 4, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope, he’s San Antonio property and honestly isn’t any better than Theodore

I’m putting here for reflection later on in the season…. #14 Tomas [Fleischmann] is getting a 40G season.
by RPC on Sep 17, 2011 5:20 PM MDT
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by Chris S Roberts on Oct 4, 2011 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I completely disagree. He might be able to bring his uncle Jacques Lemaire with him, as a special assistant to Tallon.

by MrOmnipotent on Oct 4, 2011 5:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lemaire is done with hockey.

by Alexander Calloway on Oct 4, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lack of emotes confuses the sarcasm. I have always believed, epotism is how Legace got a job beyond being a career back-up in Minnesota.

by MrOmnipotent on Oct 4, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

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