Flyers defeat Panthers in sloppy, penalty-riddled contest
It's difficult to find an exact reason why the Florida Panthers lost tonight, it wasn't for a lack of effort or rampant turnovers; the Panthers played a surprisingly even game against a very good Philadelphia Flyers squad for all but a few minutes. For the most part, Florida did everything right, that is excepting the 0-for-6 powerplay, including a 5-on-3 and double minor for the Flyers. To spare you the details, the Flyers won this game shorthanded. Heck, the game winning goal was a penalty shot stemming from a shorthanded breakaway.
If you're looking for positives to take away from the 3-2 loss, I suppose the brief comeback at the end of the game would be one. The Panthers haven't given up a game since the early part of the season, and while their point streak was snapped the team is still looking good against opponents of any caliber. The effort is certainly still there, even if they can't pull the trigger every night. Recap and more after the jump.
1st: Panthers started this game looking sharp in the 'happycat' blue 3rd jerseys (only 10 more games!) with the Flyers in their white roads. James van Reimsdyk would take a hooking call 2 minutes into the period giving Florida an early opportunity to show off their 4th ranked powerplay unit. With Ed Jovanovski and Jason Garrison on the point, the two sent 3 or 4 bombs towards the net but the strong Flyers penaly kill would prevent any scoring. Minutes later Jack Skille and Sean Bergenheim would team up on the forecheck, but Skille would get a little over-exuberant and take a slashing penalty in the offensive zone. Other than one scary centering attempt in front of a misplaced Jose Theodore, the penalty killing kept the Flyers chances to a minimum. Harry Zolnierczyk would be called for an illegal hit to the head penalty giving the Panthers the man advantage for a moment before Kris Versteeg negated the rest of the powerplay with a tripping call. The 4-on-4 would be back and forth and the remainder of the Versteeg penalty would be killed. Both teams were skating extremely well after a few days rest, but both goalies turned away everything they saw. The penalty calls didn't stop though, Zac Rinaldo would hammer Tomas Kopecky into the boards earning a charging call (the 5th minor penalty in 14 minutes of play). Garrison would send a few bombs towards Ilya Bryzgalov, but nothing would get through. With Rinaldo out of the box, Matt Bradley would get into a fight with him in front of the Philly bench. Call it a draw, but it's nice to see someone stick up for Kopecky after a dangerous hit. With a delayed penalty coming to the Cats, Wayne Simmonds would center a puck into traffic in front to Theodore and Danny Briere would chip the puck into the open side of the net (from van Reimsdyk and Simmonds). That would be the only scoring of the period though, Flyers returning to the locker room up 1-0.
2nd: The Panthers would start the period almost exclusively in the Flyers zone, but Shawn Matthias would hit Andreas Lilja on an icing call giving Philadelphia their first powerplay of the period. About midway though the period Mike Weaver would be caught up in the offensive zone creating a 3-on-1 rush for the Flyers, Braydon Coburn would put it home past Theodore (from Maxime Talbot and Jakub Voracek). Down 2-0, Scott Hartnell would bowl over Theodore (outside of the crease) allowing the Panthers a powerplay opportunity. Not much would be going on until Evgeni Dadonov, fresh outta San Antonio, would blow past a defender on a quick transition and roof one over the shoulder of Bryzgalov, assist from Jovanovski. Late into the period Bergenhiem would hook a Flyer in the offensive zone to give the Flyers another powerplay. Matt Read would ring one off the post, but other than that penalty killing was perfect. After a quick sequence of shots at the end of the period, the Panthers would end the period with the Flyers lead cut in half.
3rd: Two minutes into the third Jaromir Jagr would be called for a hooking call in the neutral zone to give Florida the man advantage, and with 40 seconds left on that penalty, Max Talbot would high-stick Brian Campbell for a 4 minute double minor. Matt Read would break into the Panthers zone as the Jagr penalty expired and was rewarded a penalty shot as Garrison pulled him down. Read would send the puck past Theodore's leg to put the Flyers up 3-1. The Flyers would kill off nearly six minutes of Panthers powerplays leaving the Cats without answers to Bryzgalov's stellar goaltending. As the halfway point of the period passed, Bergenheim would high stick a Flyer in the offensive zone for his second penalty of the night. The final ten minutes wouldn't result in much, and with 1:30 left in the period Kevin Dineen would pull Theodore. With about 8 seconds left, Tomas Fleischmann would slide the puck past a sprawling Bryzgalov from his knees to bring the score to 3-2 (assists to Kopecky and Brian Campbell), but it would be too little way too late; game over, Flyers win.
Observations:
- Jack Skille took a big hit at center ice and wouldn't return for the rest of the game. Word on the street is lower body injury.
- Welcome back to the club Big Daddy. It must be something about playing the Flyers, Dadonov has played quite well in games against Philadelphia.
- After Read was given a penalty shot, Stephen Weiss would be thrown out with a game misconduct. Nothing happened on the ice, but he obviously mouthed off to the ref. Not a great place to leave your team, captain-in-training. Or maybe that's why you aren't the captain.
- Matthias was about the only good Panther in the 3rd period. Not going to win many games when he's the only one actually doing anything while his teammates stand around waiting for him to score.
- The penalty killing was definitely the Panthers highlight of the night, going 5 for 5 on the night against a very active Flyers powerplay.
- Can we play the rest of the season on the road? Florida has been tremendously inconsistent in Sunrise, something that needs to change ASAP.
- Flash continues to be Mr. Clutch for the Panthers, even though time ran out on the comeback. How many 3rd period goals does this guy have?
- Erik Gudbranson got the nod tonight and played pretty well. Glad the team has 7 capable defensemen at any given time.
Just a final word on penalties: the number of penalties in this game was frustrating at times but never favored either team. The fact that the Panthers (or Flyers, for that matter) couldn't score on any of their multiple chances is not the ref's fault. These games happen occasionally; it's up to the coaches to settle their team down when the referees are calling everything. That didn't happen tonight.
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Blame it on the sweaters. I do.
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by Donny Rivette on Nov 13, 2011 8:09 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
+1
A lil thunder and a lil lightning is what the Cats are going to bring this year.
by trinidaddy on Nov 13, 2011 8:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Truth. You can’t see red if you’re surrounded by blue. Down with the 3rd jersey. DOWN DOWN DOWN.
by LadyPuckFan on Nov 13, 2011 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
I didn’t get to into the game as I was in duffys from the second period on but from what I did see we couldn’t sustain pressure. It seemed like it was one and done. We would take one shot and Philly would clear the zone. The only time we seemed to really control the zone was the last few minutes of the 3rd and we scored off it. Then again I didn’t really see the game so I may be wrong.
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by Ad1zzl3 on Nov 13, 2011 8:14 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Not sure I’ve ever seen a game misconduct for simply saying something as you skate by. A minor or even a 10 minute? Sure, but I’d love to hear what was so bad that deserved an ejection.
by kSelvig on Nov 13, 2011 8:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Hope it was glorious in any case
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by Donny Rivette on Nov 13, 2011 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
Don’t know what was said before or after, but it looks like he really gave it to him after the misconduct. He was just yelling at the guy as he skated off to the dressing room.
"We don't need the designated goon. Those fights aren't even fun to watch." -Mike Milbury
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Certainly dumb anyways. Let the fans trash the officials, Weiss can keep his mouth shut when his team is down by one goal.
I’m putting here for reflection later on in the season…. #14 Tomas [Fleischmann] is getting a 40G season. FLASH COUNT: 5G/9A
by RPC on Sep 17, 2011 5:20 PM MDT
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by Chris S Roberts on Nov 13, 2011 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
Oh I don’t know, I think it’d be a bit harsh to get on Weiss for it. It was a big call and moment in the game, of course he’s going to disagree. Players bitch and moan all the time, dudes an NHL ref, he’s heard it all before , which is why I’d just be curious to hear what crossed the line to merit the ejection. Not that we ever will of course, lol.
by kSelvig on Nov 13, 2011 8:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Way too harsh on Weiss. If anything it means he’s very obviously pissed off at the game changing call by the ref that could be (and was) the difference in the result. Sure, he shouldn’t have said anything but i wouldn’t go far as to say he’s not captain material because of this. Dineen seems to be very high on Weiss:
Stephen is, to me, our most valuable player in how I use him in a lot of key situations, power play and penalty killing. When he’s not there, it’s a pretty big hole
No issue whatsoever :)
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by Donny Rivette on Nov 13, 2011 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
ALL THIS ^
I just cannot imagine what Weiss could possibly have said to misconduct. He’s like the LEAST offensive player on the ice.
Stupid Blue Jersey’s YES they need to GO.
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I hereby predict Captain Mike Weaver #43 will score 6G 20A -RCR 0G6A 11/9
Be impeccable with your word, don't take anything personally, don't make assumptions, always do your best...
I was at the game and Weiss mouthed off to the ref right in front of me. It looked like he said something like “Oh F off” or “Shove it”. It was a very short sentence and he said it as he was turning to skate off. The ref was DISPLEASED to say the least and he didn’t even take a second to think about the call, just very angrily called Weiss out. It looked like Weiss had no idea there was even a call on him as he skated to the bench then had to be called back out to the penalty box (where he was seen yelling pretty unhappily at the ref across the ice) and then taken out of the box and escorted to the dressing room. It was a mood killer that’s for sure.
Might tip the scales toward Weiss being named captain…
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by Donny Rivette on Nov 13, 2011 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think so Donny. If he were Captain material, think he’d already be wearing the C by now.
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by chesterbardo on Nov 13, 2011 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
I would disagree with this. I think the majority of the fans want Weiss to be the captain, Dineen sees Weiss as one of the most valuable guys on the team, and the rest of the boys seem to speak pretty highly of him. I think it would be an absolute shame to name anybody else the captain. I am 100% against anyone joining the team this year and being named the captain (lookin’ at you Soupy) and I don’t care if Jovo was here years ago. He hasn’t been here for years and particularly when the going got tough. Weiss has stuck it out with this team through 10 years of crap and still plays with dedication and passion for the organization. It was that passion that got him in a bit of trouble, but I’d rather have a guy show his emotions that not give 2 squats about the team.
Sorry for my hint of attitude. I get very heated when discussing this captain debate. CAPTAIN WEISS 2011!
by LadyPuckFan on Nov 13, 2011 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
Don’t get me wrong. I love Stephen Weiss. I just don’t see the necessary qualities required. Is he the one that all the others will listen, look to and follow? You have to also want that job and all the responsibility that comes with it. All arguments for why he is not Captain already. I mean, why McCabe over him??
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by chesterbardo on Nov 14, 2011 7:53 AM EST up reply actions
I have to say i missed the game. I was on the plane back from NY while listening to the game. But when I came home to watch highlights, I can see why Weiss got ejected. There was no way that that call should have been penalty shot. There was no clear breakaway. It was a hook and that should have been all. I see now why Weiss was so upset at that and am glad he did stand up for the team.
Sorry for all you people baggin on Weiss for an outburst, but...
This IS something that makes a player a captain. The emotional outburst at a game changing moment, to possibly counteract something swinging the momentum away from your team. In baseball, its thought to make a good manager, if he can give his players an emotional kick in the pants by arguing with an ump over a close call. Earl Weaver, Lou Pinella, and Billy Martin made careers out of it, to name a few.
I’ll admit to not having seen the game, as I was sleeping and forgot it was on. But its this type of passion that will make Weiss the captain, if it comes at well deserved times. He has shown leadership through the years, even if most paid no attention to it. He says the right things to the media, is respected by his teammates, and displays leadership on the ice. Campbell and Jovo might do well to play the assistants roles, but the captaincy has been destined to be Weiss job since his draft day. He wasn’t compared to Yzerman for his scoring ability. It was always the intangibles that you don’t always hear about or read about in rumors or in the media.
by MrOmnipotent on Nov 14, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed. I know he always has wanted to win here, but this is the first time where you see him REALLY take the losses hard. That means a lot, and it’s not just him, it’s through the whole dressing room. These guys and this team expect to win every night, as compared to the last few seasons, where they expected to go out and play a game and try not to get outclassed.
The Panthers play to win now, and not out of fear of being embarrassed like previous seasons, but rather because losing hurts so much more.
Campbell tied for scoring lead among defensemen.
I’m putting here for reflection later on in the season…. #14 Tomas [Fleischmann] is getting a 40G season. FLASH COUNT: 6G/9A
by RPC on Sep 17, 2011 5:20 PM MDT
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by Chris S Roberts on Nov 13, 2011 8:23 PM EST reply actions
Earned himself a couple games at least
I’m putting here for reflection later on in the season…. #14 Tomas [Fleischmann] is getting a 40G season. FLASH COUNT: 6G/9A
by RPC on Sep 17, 2011 5:20 PM MDT
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by Chris S Roberts on Nov 13, 2011 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, he’s gotta be golden right now
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by Donny Rivette on Nov 13, 2011 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
I hope Skille is alright. His high energy was certainly missed.
A lil thunder and a lil lightning is what the Cats are going to bring this year.
by trinidaddy on Nov 13, 2011 8:49 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Agree completely, hard to replace. Kennedy time?
by Hawkseye on Nov 13, 2011 10:55 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
This year is a tale of two home sweaters. The Red jerseys are like watching a new team, but when they play in the JetBlues, I feel like I’m watching last year’s somewhat sloppy team.
- Go Panthers -
Great point; seems as if nothing’s changed – visually and otherwise, regardless of effort – when the blues appear.
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by Donny Rivette on Nov 13, 2011 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
+1
Those uniforms are totally a MY creation!
CFS93
by chesterbardo on Nov 13, 2011 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe he helped design the new Marlins uniforms too. No wait, can’t think of any company with those colors.
Fish, Heatles, Cats, Fins, Noles
by National Mario on Nov 13, 2011 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
Good indeed…even Rochester has been piling on the Rampage of late
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by Donny Rivette on Nov 13, 2011 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
It's really not a secret why we lost.
A) How many times did we have a great scoring opportunity and miss the net? I would guess 5-6 times on very very good oppurtunities, Santorelli was particularly bad.
B) The Flyers blocked a ton of shots, especially early in the first.
This is a loss I can handle, the Cats played fairly well against a pretty good team. I think we could have easily won this game and if they keep this up, we’re certainly in the playoffs.
I like that they have some fight in them till the last second. The team got fleeced on those ref calls.
I think the biggest loss of the night is Skille. Difficult to replace his energy on the ice.
by Hawkseye on Nov 13, 2011 10:54 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I don’t think the calls were that bad aside from the Weiss ejection. The penalty shot was the correct call and I think that refs were at least consistent in calling both teams the same way.
I am getting sick of the linesmen tossing out a centremen every second faceoff though. I noticed that Weiss got tossed a lot, I bet the refs had him blacklisted. Remember last year when the linesmen knew Santorelli was cheating on faceoffs and the first time Santorelli complained about getting tossed the linesmen gave him a penalty?
I thought the Panthers seemed a little out of sync in the offensive zone. I think the Flyers forced them into rushing things a lot of the time. A lot of almost really good chances: passes that just missed connecting or shots that were blasted wide or the Flyers just got a piece of the puck before something good happened. The Flyers are big and fast and I think that while the Cats played them pretty even I think they felt the pressure,
Thought most of the guys played really hard but I want to single out a couple who could have done more: Weiss who did very little before he was tossed and despite scoring the late goal and making a very nice pass to Santorelli towards the end of 2nd period (who should have buried it) and another nice set up late; Fleischmann who I thought was pretty much a disaster out there. Missed on about 90% of his passes and gave up the puck high in the Flyers end countless times.
Thought Santorelli and Bergenheim had strong games and while Gudbranson looked better defensively he did little to nothing to help out in the offensive zone.
They have to start winning at home.
Very enjoyable albeit sloppy game
by Todd Little on Nov 14, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
Feel free to take 4:30 from your day and..
I feel like I’m fighting a losing battle but they deserve it.. Up to 6 usernames and counting.
by Rob PKane McMahon on Nov 14, 2011 11:03 AM EST reply actions
Crosby, Flash, Steeger, Campbell, Kulikov, Markstrom.. dont give me crap about crosby, they guy earned it last season and wasn’t able to make it. He’ll be back shortly and hes possibly the best player in the world. figured I’d give him a little love.
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by Rob PKane McMahon on Nov 14, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
I didn’t get to see the game but I was able to TiVO it. I watched the series of events leading up to the penalty shot and just briefly you can see the bottom half of the ref at the top of the frame call the unsportsmanlike penalty. It’s hard to judge it as an expression, but it looked like whatever was said really ticked off the ref. I can’t tell the refs apart so I don’t know if it was Sutherland or Auger.
I’d really like to know what Weiss said.
He asked what area of Philly the ref was from.
Actually I dont know that for sure.. but it would be a valid question after some of the calls or non calls from last night.
by Rob PKane McMahon on Nov 14, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
Even that one goes both ways. Talbot was complaining after the game about a high stick on him that wasn’t called (the one where he was bleeding on the ice). I didn’t watch the game so I can’t comment one way or the other on the officiating in general.
It’s overkill to eject a team’s #1 center in a one-goal game because he said something you didn’t like, especially if he was skating away at the time. It seems like something Paul Stewart would do (and if there ever was a ref that liked to be the center of attention…).
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The Ducks need any help they can get… just sad FL didn’t put in for him. especially with Skille potentially out
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