Wednesday Caterwaul: Panthers Open Forum

by Donny Rivette on Nov 2, 2011 12:08 PM EDT in LBC Caterwauls: '11-12

Both GR and Harvey X have reported throughout the morning via Twitter that Panthers left wing Sean Bergenheim has been skating today, much of the time alongside Mike Santorelli and Tomas Kopecky, with Scottie Upshall heading to a reconstituted - and expensive - fourth line (Upshall, Shawn Matthias and Matt Bradley).

Presumably this means Tim Kennedy's clock on the left side has run out...for the moment. Marco Sturm's contract - the final year of it - makes him the only other option to sit, but would be a remarkable situation in light of what was given up to acquire him. Though still settling in with the club, Sturm is clearly the more explosive player, while Kennedy has that energy label on his side. Depends on game-by-game need, one would assume.

On the defensive end, what to do with sparsely-utilized Keaton Ellerby?

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Conflicting reports

PBPost is reporting, Garrison “hasn’t measured his shot since juniors, 10 years ago” and implies he is surprised he has the heaviest shot on the team. But Billy n Goldie are always mentioning his cannon and how its assumed he has the hardest shot in practice. I think its not even a competition n hope they ‘measure’ it soon.

20-13-82 on a line is magic in the making

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by Mannieblunts on Nov 2, 2011 12:18 PM EDT reply actions

The way that fourth line has been playing, they should be the third line.

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by Ryan Meier on Nov 2, 2011 12:36 PM EDT reply actions

The nice thing is

Teams can’t overlook the lower, energy lines because they can def. bring the offense to the table

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by JMarushin on Nov 2, 2011 12:42 PM EDT reply actions

the first line is the only line scoring. Lines 2,3 & 4 haven’t done jack yet as far as scoring goes.
A lot of guys are playing hard but it’s not resulting in any offense.

by Todd Little on Nov 2, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions

I agree too. Maybe Kopecky should hang out at the boards more and will find his new best friend is Mathias.

P.S. booth has done nothing yet in Vancouver, he is a -2 after 4 games no goals.

by Hawkseye on Nov 2, 2011 3:13 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions

Not much of a sample size; give him a full season with Kesler and see his numbers rise.

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by Ryan Meier on Nov 2, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions

had an assist and was +1 last night

by Todd Little on Nov 2, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions

Personally, I have not been overly impressed by Jovo & Guds. I’m sure I am wrong but they seem to be the pair who are on ice for GA. I’d be happy to let either of them sit a few games and get Ellerby in. I’d like to see some of my D men hit somebody once in a while, make a few forwards pay for trying to get in our end :-)

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by RPC on Nov 2, 2011 1:14 PM EDT reply actions

i think Jovo has been pretty disappointing. Gudbranson is still learning, he gets a pass for now, but i would like to see him get on the scoresheet already!

by alterego6487 on Nov 2, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions

Got to agree on both counts. I think Jovo has been fairly pedestrian and Guds gets a pass because he’s a rookie and learning his role. He’s not made glaring, ridiculous mistakes, but has had his growing pains. He will get better. However, I do think that we’re making a mistake essentially benching Ellerby. I think him, Jovo and Guds should be rotating as the third pair every two nights, unless injury forces a change.

by badger737 on Nov 2, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions

I have not been impressed with Jovi cop at all. WhAt is glaring to me is to see Kuli lead in hits instead of Jovo…. Jovo and Guds got to start being hitting or blocking machines out there.

by Hawkseye on Nov 2, 2011 3:10 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions

I agree on Guds, but not Jovanovski. The defense has been alright, and he’s done his share.

by Alexander Calloway on Nov 2, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions

Jovo is Nogo....

That half hearted…lazy attempt by Jovo the last game to clear the puck out of the zone…I believe it was during the 1 st period last game……was disgusting…..the puck flew past Teddy a few seconds later………He’s not hitting…he’s not clearing….and I hope he’s not out there to teach Guds how to play defense.

by LAUSMAN on Nov 2, 2011 2:35 PM EDT reply actions

never really understood the Jovo signing. Mostly due to the length of the contract. They would have been better off signing someone a little younger. The Upshall deal is looking like a bad one too. Hopefully he’ll turn it around soon. I guess when you sign that many new guys some of them were bound to not work out. Still surprised how so many of the forwards are not scoring. If the first line keeps it up and some other guys can get going the Panthers are going to pretty hard to handle.

by Todd Little on Nov 2, 2011 2:44 PM EDT reply actions

The first line is definitely carrying the bulk of the scoring load however other than the guys with less than a handful of games (Sturm, Santorelli) everyone has contributed something. TK has 6 points, the defense is chipping in regularly, and so far we have had a different player with the GWG in each of our wins….

by catfan927 on Nov 2, 2011 2:48 PM EDT reply actions

something isn't enough

too many forwards with 1 or zero goals. Kopecky is the only non first liner who has helped the offense. Yes, the D (mainly Garrison) has helped but a bunch of forwards need to start finding the net on a more regular basis. Out of the bottom three lines Dineen has to piece together a second line that can actually score some goals and help out the first line.

by Todd Little on Nov 2, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions

following up my point

first line: 14 goals / Garrison: 5 goals / rest of the team: 9 goals

not good enough

by Todd Little on Nov 2, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions

Yea that’s a scary disparity right there. But good for Gary!

Getting Bergy back and moving Kennedy down should help a bit.

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by Ryan Meier on Nov 2, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions

I think the parts are here to assemble a good second line just a matter of Dineen putting the right three together and them finding a spark. I think getting Samuelsson healthy will help and I wouldn’t be too surprised to see Dadonov at some point this season especially if goals stay hard to come by.

by Todd Little on Nov 2, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions

I’d like to see:

Upshall-Santorelli-Dadonov
Bergenheim-Goc-Matthias

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by Ryan Meier on Nov 2, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions

Dadonov

Just get him in the mix somewhere, he was developing a nice touch before the injury last year.

by Robert Wright on Nov 2, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions

And after, he scored a beauty in his first game back.

Hockey is a business, only we fans love it as a game.

by JDMorris on Nov 2, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions

Re: Dadonov...

He’s got 1 goal and a -1 in 5 games with SA. Just sayin’.

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by Donny Rivette on Nov 2, 2011 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions

not making excuses for him but maybe he’s rounding back into shape after the injury or maybe he’s not happy being down there and it’s affecting his game. Either way he needs to get it in gear and earn himself a call up. We need the Dadonov that was playing so well last year back on the Panthers.

by Todd Little on Nov 3, 2011 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions

Keep Ellerby

Trade Clemmenson and weaver for a prospect and draft picks.

by Hawkseye on Nov 2, 2011 3:09 PM EDT via iPhone app reply actions

Weaver has been the best defensive player on the team.

by Alexander Calloway on Nov 2, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions

+1 Alex!

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by RPC on Nov 2, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions

+2 on Weaver. guy has earned his spot here.

by Todd Little on Nov 2, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions

+3. He’s not big and flashy and won’t put up a ton of points, but he logs tough minutes against tough players and top lines and is generally a stalwart back there. Check out his zone diffs. and relative Corsi and you’ll see his true value.

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by Ryan Meier on Nov 2, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions

4A in 11 games is more than I expected.

I’m putting here for reflection later on in the season…. #14 Tomas [Fleischmann] is getting a 40G season. FLASH COUNT: 5G/5A
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by Chris S Roberts on Nov 2, 2011 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions

YOu have to wonder though what would Ellerby have done with his size on the ice. Weaver has lost some battles along the boards. I think its time to see Ellerby…..

by Hawkseye on Nov 2, 2011 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions

Weaver is also a +5. I’d like to see Ellerby too but the only one who can be benched is Jovo.

by Chris S Roberts on Nov 2, 2011 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions

Keep Weaver, get rid of Jovo somehow

by Colt1235 on Nov 2, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions

which would be injury

by Colt1235 on Nov 2, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions

Only a matter of time. Then we’ll see Ellerby.

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by John Beatty on Nov 2, 2011 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions

Can’t get rid of Jovanovski…whether you like what he’s done yet or not, his contract is an albatross.

Got to remember he’s getting used to a new defensive partner as well…

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by Donny Rivette on Nov 2, 2011 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions

Everyone’s gotta Pull their socks up!

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by RPC on Nov 3, 2011 8:10 AM EDT up reply actions

at this point I think any trades of NHL roster players should bring back scoring help. the Panthers are doing well enough on picks and prospects.

by Todd Little on Nov 2, 2011 3:59 PM EDT reply actions

Panthers could always use more picks and prospects though. San Antonio is off to a rough start. I would really like to see the Panthers do a package of some sort and bring in a good winger and a prospect . Perhaps, Columbus (bad start…ready to call it a day yet? )or Philly (injuries) would be the place to look.

by Hawkseye on Nov 2, 2011 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions

Don’t know if I’d trust any of CBJ’s propsects – seriously…how many have worked out, historically, and remain in the league? Their drafting has been worse than FLA’s.

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by Donny Rivette on Nov 2, 2011 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions

They have a pretty good system. Ryan Johansen is their best prospect, and I’m familiar with him in his WHL days in Portland. Wouldn’t mind getting Mathieu Corbeil-Theriault, their top goalie prospect, but not that’s going to happen.

by Alexander Calloway on Nov 2, 2011 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions

true, you can never really have enough but right now they seem to have some immediate needs on the big league roster.

by Todd Little on Nov 3, 2011 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions

Here’s a video of Gudbranson shaving his beard for Movemeber. He actually left some of his beard left over to go with his mustache, it actually looks really cool: http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=10100248627051246

- Go Panthers -

by flpanther360 on Nov 2, 2011 6:54 PM EDT reply actions

Creepy :D

by Chris S Roberts on Nov 2, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions

That is so freaking cool!!! He just rocks!!! :)

by CLG_74 on Nov 2, 2011 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions

I’m thinking of growing my beard that way myself… have a bit of a Go-T right now w/o the mustache. Didn’t even think about shaving mine that way in the past. Guds knows how to grow a good beard. :P

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by flpanther360 on Nov 2, 2011 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions

I love Gudbranson to a ridiculous extent. This video is not helping with my obsession.

by LadyPuckFan on Nov 2, 2011 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions

~~if we~~ hit the playoffs.. Guds MUST go back to this stache & chops look.. OMG drop him off in the everglades for some snake hunting!!

I hereby predict Captain Mike Weaver #43 will score 6G 20A -RCR 0G4A 11/1
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by RPC on Nov 3, 2011 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions

That’s so old school, very cool!

Seeing Red since 1994.

by coasterg on Nov 3, 2011 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions

we need to start parking someone infront of the net

i never see any of our players there, which is surprising considering who our coach is.

by stopdropandbreathe on Nov 2, 2011 11:04 PM EDT reply actions

+1 Bergy is the only one who has and since he’s been out, no one else has jumped in. I figured a Goc or Upshall for that spot but no one wants to be the doorman yet.

I hereby predict Captain Mike Weaver #43 will score 6G 20A -RCR 0G4A 11/1
Be impeccable with your word, don't take anything personally, don't make assumptions, always do your best...

by RPC on Nov 3, 2011 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions

At the beginning of the season we were crashing the net regularly with a few different players and then it dropped off. No idea why it dropped off but I think its time for a few forwards to step up and do it.

Seeing Red since 1994.

by coasterg on Nov 3, 2011 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions

You want your biggest bodies there, guys that are tough to move but have the hands to pop in rebounds or trash laying in the crease. Matthias, Bradley, Kopecky…. those are the names that fit perfectly in that position.

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by Ryan Meier on Nov 3, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions