The Difference - Panthers vs Lightning game experience
Last Sunday, 2/6, I was invited to go to the Tampa Bay Lightning game vs the St. Louis Blues. When I arrived I noticed many things that were different, and better, than the fan experience the Panthers have been providing over the last few seasons. This post is a comparison of the differences and my thoughts on what the Panthers should provide to their fans.
Parking and Arrival:
Lightning: Upon pulling into the area by the St. Pete Times Forum you get a feeling that this is a special event. Traffic was dense, even though the game was not sold out due to it being Super Bowl Sunday. Parking is available in various lots around the arena. I paid $10 to park in a city lot about a block away.
People are on the street, wearing Lightning jerseys, walking the few blocks to the game. There is a buzz in the crowd as you walk up to the arena.
Panthers: Compare this to the Panthers, parking is free and you're right next to the arena, which are definite pluses. It may just be me but the buzz is missing lately, that feeling of excitement before the game.
Outside of the Arena and Ticket pickup:
Lightning: The area in front of the main entrance was packed with fans drinking, buying food, watching the entertainment from various sources. The entertainment ranged from things for the kids to TV and music for the adults. Souvenir, food and drink stands were outside to encourage a good atmosphere. People would trickle into the arena at their own pace, there was no line to get in. My tickets were at will call, took about 1 minute to get them even though the box office area was very busy.
Panthers: The area in front of the arena is usually packed with people, almost all of them get into line to get into the arena. There are a few events going on outside of the arena, usually concerning a corporate sponsors with some additional things to do for the kids. No food, drink or souvenirs are sold outside. Music is played occasionally. I would characterize the atmosphere as more subdued. The Panthers focus seems to be to get you into the arena ASAP. The box office has definitely improved this season, lines can be long but move quickly at will call.
The Fan Experience:
This is the key, there are substantial differences on what each team focuses on and how they relate to their fans.
Lightning: Extremely fan oriented, I've been to Lightning games in the past and they've upped their game significantly. It's professionally produced and focuses on the fans and the experience of the game. Advertising is present but its not the main focus.
The before the game ceremonies and events honor fans - the honorary puck drop was done by a fan, they had a peewee/junior hockey player as a honorary player for the game decked out in full Lightning gear and a custom jersey, there were few corporate or sponsor mentions.
Time out and in-between period media is all about the fans - kids cams, fan cams, military person of the game, real Lightning trivia competitions, etc. Prizes are Lightning merchandise, tickets and sponsor toss ins. Some advertising is done but its not overdone. I don't remember hearing about any other arena events as a main screen announcement. Event announcements are on side screens and on the 3rd level scoreboards.
Panthers: We used to do most of what the Lightning currently does but its been replaced by advertisements, advertisements and more advertisements. The focus is on the corporate and business sponsors and not on the fans.
Before the game ceremonies and events honor sponsors with the occasional fan tossed in. Can't remember when I saw a fan take the slap shot or dropped the puck. It's always been XXXXX of company YYYYY for the past few years. We do have the kids who skate the Panthers flag around and I hope they are local players.
Time out and in-between period media is mostly advertising. Even cam shots of the crowd are sponsored. Arena events are advertised repeatedly as well as sponsor messages. In-between period events include sponsor advertising, really bad events - kids stacking pucks to get tech support vouchers?! WTH! Panthers prize packs are seemingly a thing of the past.
Overall, my opinion is that the Lightning have it right. They are catering to their fans AND their sponsors, not their sponsors at the cost of the fan experience, which is where the Panthers are currently. As a inaugural fan and a season seat holder since 1994, for the majority of the time the Panthers were focused on the fan, unfortunately with the move to the new arena that emphasis has changed, slowly but surely to their corporate and business sponsors. Those sponsors may be a huge revenue source but often their seats are empty or occupied with people who may not be interested in the game. In comparison, the Lightning have a vibrant game atmosphere with a significant fan base who are really into their team. In a 2/3 - 3/4 full arena on Sunday it was LOUD, when a goal was scored it reminded me of the Miami Arena Panthers experience. Several people were waving large Lightning flags on poles and it was electric.
I'd love to see the Panthers stop talking about the fan experience and actually follow it up with action. I think if I brought a Panthers flag on a pole to the game they'd probably confiscate it. The fans are what makes a team, they generate excitement and atmosphere that is crucial to a great game.
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Thanks for the synopsis, it’s interesting to hear the different points of view and experiences from other arenas and teams.
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by Donny Rivette on Feb 8, 2011 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
There is no experience at the Avs games, you show up, get in as fast as you can, then wander….
I watched them play at jobing.com arena in Phoenix and they looked to have similar setup to what you described in TB, stuff stet up outside and people (albeit very few people) would just hang around and enjoy the weather (which would be what I’d be doing if I went to the Panthers games)
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I’d heard about how bad some of the marketing and stuff had gotten at Florida games, but only just recently got to experience when I finally got to my first game in south FLA in a year or so over the Christmas break. I told my wife there would be sponsors and stuff, every save is a Saveology save, so yea, it happens. But then there was the kids stacking cups to win tech support vouchers or something and I just couldn’t believe it. That and the “feel like you’ve been in a fight lately” sponsor with the PA announcer reading it before the refs had even stepped in to break up the scrum. Unreal.
And yea, I’ve been to a lot more TB games than FLA games lately (I live in Orlando, so I’ll go to Tampa at least 3 times a year when the Panthers play there, and then maybe a few more through the season.) The atmosphere all around is just 10 times better. The plaza is always busy with the Channelside bar, the live music stage, the games for the kiddies. Maybe it’s because it’s downtown and more central to the Tampa area as opposed to BAC in BFE? I don’t know, but from walking in to walking out, it feels like an event, not a 2 and a half hour commercial going on during a hockey game. Maybe that comes with a successful season or two, but who knows.
Re: the sponsored fights: Oh, ugh, I know. That’s pretty dang tacky. I was dumbfounded when they started that.
Good point about the Tampa arena being downtown vs. the Big Billboard on the edge of the swamp. There’s a busy open-air shopping center full of restaurants, bars, & shops just a block away from the Forum – lots of people, lots of foot traffic. In Sunrise we have… a huge, mostly-enclosed outlet mall, across a poorly-lit, busy street and an enormous gulf of parking lots.
While I agree with your post in theory, there’s a few points that should have be made. One of the reasons Panthers fans are more subdued both in and outside the arena is that we haven’t won a game in, I can’t even remember how long and we are looking at a possible 10th year of not going to the playoffs. The Lightning, on the other hand, are currently sitting on top of the division. If the Panthers were on top of the division, I’m fairly certain that more people would be screaming and carrying on and more seats would be filled by actual fans rather than seeing corporate empties AND the need for as much advertising that we have would not be as great.
Am I happy with all the corporate nonsense, absolutely not. Does it annoy me to see kids getting tech support help as a prize? Absolutely, I questioned it the first time I saw it. Do I hate the fact that the Panthers logo is on advertisement in the mens urinals, more than you can possibly know. But I understand the need for the corporate sponsorships (tech support for kids and Panthers urinal targets not withstanding) when I see the arena no where near being filled as it was tonight.
Winning cures everything. That’s the REAL in-game-experience we’re all looking, waiting, hoping and praying for.
I don’t know… I just remembering going to some Tampa games in those couple years post lockout, pre Stamkos, and it was still a more fan friendly vibe to it. But maybe (hopefully) you’re right and a few years from now, we’re looking back like the Penguins and Blackhawks do on those years where they were lucky to get 10k in for a game (let alone that Stanley Cup in the trophy case)
They also won the Stanley Cup the year right before the lockout took place. They were a winner for a year and not a single game was played. I wouldn’t mind that myself – well, minus the lockout of course. :)
I used to go to Tampa when we were on top and they were the bottom feeders and I can tell you the atmosphere was much different then than it is now… kinda reminds me a bit of the atmosphere we’re seeing in the BAC right now.
I believe it will work itself out … provided we can put some winning seasons together.
I think the Panthers’ emphasis on their advertisers vs the fans is an issue though. I’ve attended other events at the BAC and they don’t even come close in the advertising department to a Panthers game. This may have changed since I haven’t been to a concert there in about 18 months.
As for losing, yes it has an effect. But the Panthers can create a better atmosphere too. Right now its pretty poor. Yormark was probably with the Lightning back when you saw at least some of your games there and he’s like a NHL bad luck charm. Little understanding about fans but lots of rhetoric.
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by coasterg on Feb 9, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree that it’s an issue, but it won’t change until we can fill the arena on a game night regularly.
I don’t care what I hear out of the Panthers Organization… I’m very certain that season ticket revenue has dropped every year and will do so again this year because let’s be frank, other than your diehards, who really wants to plop down thousands of dollars to see a losing team when you live in an area where you can spend your money a million other ways?
Michael Yormark, love him or hate him, brings in the dollars that the Panthers team cannot. The bottom line is, for us it may be a recreational outing, but to the team, the organization and the ownership, it’s a business.
It’s easy to criticize the amount of advertising. Heck, I’ve been known to do it on occasion, but it pays the bills, because it sure isn’t the fans who do so.
I don’t like the advertising, I will NEVER like the advertising, but it is what it is and until we field a winning team, there’s not a whole lot to be done.

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