Tallon, Panthers likely to cut ties with Rochester
When asked if the relationship between the Florida Panthers and AHL affiliate Rochester Americans "was done", Dale Tallon responded like only Dale can, with a golf allegory, "it would be like the back nine at Augusta, with poor Rory McIlroy, I think it's done".
The affiliation has been in longstanding jeopardy for quite some time now, as both managing and ownership groups have very different beliefs and philosophies when it comes to formulating a winning relationship. It's been long rumoured that the breakup would happen at the end of the year when the current three year agreement expires, but after what seemed to be a early 2011 "festivus" where both sides aired their grievances, including what what would be a lot of "Rochester inspired" trades at and near the NHL Trade Deadline, the news comes as a bit of a surprise.
The comment would mark the end of the 6 year affiliation the two clubs have had with one another. In 2005, The Panthers had dual-affiliate rights, until the Buffalo Sabres balked on renewing their deal in 2007--making the Cats and Amerks, soley exclusive to one another. For a while it was a match made in heaven, but the power struggle that would ensue and fight over development versus winning, slowly destroyed the coalition and eventually lead to a strained and frustrating relationship on both sides. Put that in an E-harmony commercial.When asked what the plan was moving forward, Dale said "We've got a lot of options and we're looking at every possible thing that makes us better as far as the future and where we can develop our young players to get better"-- which in itself is a bit concerning considering the plethora of different outcomes this could lead to.
AHL affiliation rules dictate each club must be affiliated with an NHL team - and it's not really economically viable for an AHL team to go independent so it's unlikely the Panthers will be without an affiliate but given the fact that very few teams will be eligible and willing to "swap partners" for next seasons dance (because of the developmental stunting) there are considerable issues that rise up and many of them are recurrent from the Cats' previous engagements with the Amerks.
The big issue in this problem is that people have to realize that the NHL is an entirely different entity than the AHL-- they are in a business of their own, and until that changes the AHL will always have slightly different priorities than their affiliated partners. The AHL is a business just like the NHL, and they have to make money. AHL franchises such as Rochester have slowly bled money for years now (a lot like the Panthers), and a lot of it has to do instability with the NHL relationship-- such a huge change in infrastructure could be chaotic for the group of AHL and NHL teams caught in the middle of this. Until the economic landscape changes, there will have to be allowances made on both sides, and that means that Panthers management might have to say give into hockey operation demands of their AHL affiliate to create a stable affiliate and strong training grounds for their future players. The affiliation agreement isn't perfect, but Tallon and Florida can make it work, but they'll have to learn from some of the mistakes they made along the way (As much as this is a Florida publication, the Panthers are not innocent in all of this.)
Obviously, Tallon has options, but coming out and saying the relationship is done without having a backup plan is a bit premature. This isn't like hiring a coach, there are tons of eligible head coaches, there are only 30 AHL affiliates. Getting a right match for this organization is going to be next to impossible and chances are some of the same difficulties will arise. The prospect of re-assembling the group and infrastructure could also set the team back from a developmental standpoint. It will be interesting to see who the new affiliate will be, but it will be more interesting to see how the relationship begins, and how long Tallon and company can keep the honey moon period afloat.
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Anxious to see where this goes
especially since there is no chance it goes back to Rochester. I agree that teh fault falls on both sides. Have a sneak suspicion that Ted Nolan had a BIG part in this… but thats for another day.
Apparently there are teams in the NHL interested in getting out of their deals and taking up with Rochester. Rumor has it our friends in Tampa Bay are front and center, as well as the expansion cousins in Anaheim.
The wrench in the system is the whole Phoenix/Atlanta/Winnipeg situation. Word from our pal Doug MacLean and Nick Kypreos is that once the Coyotes playoffs end, so too wil the Coyotes stay in the desert. Although the NHL denies it, Kypreos rarely gets it wrong… Which leads me to wonder if this news might be enough to get the talking in the AHL going. And maybe witih a week or two of a Phoenix to Winnipeg announcement, there could be some AHL affiliation change announcements. So I suspect the wait on this is only about a month away.
FOR FUN THOUGH a VERY farfetched scenario;
In the next few weeks Detroit finds a way to dispatch the Coyotes, at which point the sale talk resumes and by end of April the NHL finally pulls the plug and the team is announced as Winnipeg bound.
The propective new owners up here in Canada, True North Sports, also own/run the Manitoba Moose, affilate with Vancouver. That team will need a new home and the talk around Saskatchewan/Manitoba is a Saskatoon Blades for Moose trade. I can’t see it happening, but the other option was that they sell the AHL team. So what if the Panthers make an offer? They could move the Moose to Orlando….
The end result of this would be:
Anaheim affiliated with San Antonio
Vancouver affiliated with Syracuse
Winnipeg affiliated with Rochester
Florida affiliated with Orlando.
Sounds fun to me!
Daly is, of course, denying the PHX/WPG story.
Hate to admit it but I think it’s likely true.
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by Donny Rivette on Apr 13, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I can’t see Vancouver having an affiliate that far away, but other than that I like it.
by Craig Fischer on Apr 13, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Me too, Usually if it comes from Kypreos is usually is true. So I believe they better be getting the old blue and red paint of the Jets all ready for the MTS Center ice soon…
I understand – well – the financial/business aspect of this, but I just can’t endorse a relocation. Personal experience.
Though if a club HAS to move, let it be to its former location.
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by Donny Rivette on Apr 13, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
You’ve got to agree. Perhaps we can get the Wild to move to Winnepeg as the Jets, the Coyotes to Dallas as the Coyotes and the North Stars to return to where they belong, Minnesota.
And the Hurricanes…?
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by Donny Rivette on Apr 13, 2011 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I think relocation is stupid ridiculous and should have no place in today’s NHL. Its wrong to the fans, taxpayers, people who have jobs at that place, its awful all around. There is enough interest to warrant there being more teams, I see this even more so if there is a huge NFL AND NBA lockout.
Was just playin’ by bring up the Canes. Talk about growing roots quickly.
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by Donny Rivette on Apr 13, 2011 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d rather not have any franchises relocate, but unfortunately, it looks like Pheonix is most likely gonna go back to Winnipeg after the playoffs this year. It’s unfortunate, I like all the franchises where they are right now, but it is what it is. Hopefully the Wild and the Stars and the Canes and Thrashers will stay where they are.
- Go Panthers -
In reality, yes.
On Planet Toronto it’s an entirely different scenario.
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by Donny Rivette on Apr 13, 2011 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank god. We won’t be for another 20 years at the least because of the BankAtlantic agreement and the new owners. The franchise will be an elite franchise before then.
- Go Panthers -
by flpanther360 on Apr 13, 2011 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Contracts CAN – and have – been broken but this one is pretty iron-clad. A lot more at stake than just the hockey club.
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by Donny Rivette on Apr 13, 2011 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Not to mention ownership – most of which is very local – has no desire to leave. And SSE is a terrifically successful cash cow for everyone involved.
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by Donny Rivette on Apr 13, 2011 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t be suprised if Burke leads the team to get relocated.
- Go Panthers -
by flpanther360 on Apr 13, 2011 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Not reading you…what do you mean?
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by Donny Rivette on Apr 13, 2011 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually see Atlanta or Dallas moving than Phoenix. There is at least a buyer w/Phoenix not with the other two teams. I agree, I think franchises should not relocate.
The difference between Phoenix and Atlanta, is that Atlanta has tremendous market potential. The Television market, coupled with the fact they have a well placed arena, and the fact that Dudley’s done a lot for market integration with his current roster make Atlanta a better long term franchise than anything in Quebec.
by Craig Fischer on Apr 14, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Disagree. Atlanta to me has huge social, ethnic and economic barriers to hockey succeeding and I just don’t see it happening. I don’t see hockey coming close to supplanting the Hawks as the third sport in Atlanta.
I think those barriers exist but I think Dudley’s market integration through the roster is genius and long term it will succeed.
by Craig Fischer on Apr 14, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions

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