Building a Winner in Florida: Goaltending
General Manager Dale Tallon has proclaimed repeatedly that he doesn't want to build a playoff team in Florida, he wants to build a Stanley Cup Champion. But what kind of roster makes this dream possible? In this series, I'll break down what types of players are needed to win a cup and what the Florida Panthers already have. For a recap of the forwards, click here and for defense here.
If you only learned one thing from the 2011 Stanley Cup Finals, it should have been the importance and unpredictability of goaltending when the season is on the line. Sometimes in the playoffs goaltending brilliance is found from the most unexpected sources, and sometimes the star goalies...choke. The advent of the playoffs bring out the best in some goalies and the worst in others, but who succeeds and who fails doesn't seem to correlate with past performance, every goaltender puts on a new face to win the Cup. For the Florida Panthers, one can only wonder how the team's goaltending would fare in the playoffs. Would fans witness a Cam Ward or Antti Niemi-esqe emergence from obscurity for the team's goaltender or playoff heartbreak? More after the jump.
Since the lockout, Cup winning goalies have been of all breeds, unlikely heros like Cam Ward and Antti Niemi, grizzled veterans like Chris Osgood and Tim Thomas and quality performers like Jean-Sebastien Giguere and Marc-Andre Fleury. There really isn't any definitive quality that separates those who win in the playoffs and those who lose, there are just so many factors and attributes in the playoffs that are absent in the regular season to compare records. But we can try, cant we?
| Goalie | Team | Season | GP | W | L | OT | GA | SV% | GAA |
| Cam Ward | Carolina | 05-06 | 28 | 14 | 8 | 2 | 91 | .882 | 3.68 |
| Jean-Sebastien Giguere | Anaheim | 06-07 | 56 | 36 | 10 | 8 | 122 | .918 | 2.26 |
| Chris Osgood | Detroit | 07-08 | 43 | 27 | 9 | 4 | 84 | .914 | 2.09 |
| Marc-Andre Fleury | Pittsburgh | 08-09 | 62 | 35 | 18 | 7 | 162 | .912 | 2.67 |
| Antti Niemi | Chicago | 09-10 | 39 | 26 | 7 | 4 | 82 | .912 | 2.25 |
| Tim Thomas | Boston | 10-11 | 57 | 35 | 11 | 9 | 112 | .938 | 2.00 |
Excepting Tim Thomas and Chris Osgood who had absolutely spectacular seasons, the other goaltenders on this list had average to above-average seasons with good teams. Cam Ward is the obvious outlier here after his first season in the NHL. Now these are the records of the 6 goalies who lost in the Stanley Cup Finals.
| Goalie | Team | Season | GP | W | L | OT | GA | SV% | GAA |
| Dwayne Roloson | Edmonton/Minnesota | 05-06 | 43 | 14 | 24 | 5 | 145 | .908 | 2.71 |
| Ray Emery | Ottawa | 06-07 | 58 | 33 | 16 | 6 | 138 | .918 | 2.47 |
| Marc-Andre Fleury | Pittsburgh | 07-08 | 35 | 19 | 10 | 2 | 72 | .921 | 2.33 |
| Chris Osgood | Detroit | 08-09 | 46 | 26 | 9 | 8 | 137 | .887 | 3.09 |
| Michael Leighton | Philadelphia/Carolina | 09-10 | 34 | 17 | 9 | 2 | 85 | .883 | ~3 |
| Roberto Loungo | Vancouver | 10-11 | 60 | 38 | 15 | 7 | 126 | .928 | 2.11 |
Now, in general these numbers are lower in SV% and higher in GAA than the numbers of the Cup winning goalies, but notice the 'turnaround' for Marc Andre Fleury. When he won the Cup in 2009, Fleury's numbers were worse than when he lost the Cup in 2008, was this a matter of experience instead of performance? Then again, Roberto Loungo has been in the playoffs for every year since he left the Panthers and hasn't been able to snag the Cup, while Ward and Niemi won the Cup in thier first time in the playoffs. Different conditions call for different goalies and ultimately determine success. What about the Florida goalies? Assuming Tomas Vokoun resigns, of course.
| Goalie | Season | GP | W | L | OT | GA | SV% | GAA |
| Tomas Vokoun | 2010-11 | 57 | 22 | 28 | 5 | 137 | .922 | 2.55 |
| Scott Clemmensen | 2010-11 | 31 | 8 | 11 | 7 | 74 | .911 | 2.62 |
Don't think Tomas Vokoun is a good goalie? Well, Vokoun's save percentage was topped on both lists by only Tim Thomas and Roberto Loungo, and since save percentage is the best statistic that demonstrates a goalie's proficiency (GAA reflects a team's defense and is skewed when the team has a bad defensive unit), that means a lot. It doesn't, however, prove that Tomas Vokoun has what it takes to win a Stanley Cup, but proving your worth in the regular season certainly helps. Clemmensen's numbers are also good, but are understandably not Cup-winning figures.
Vokoun has the potential to win a Stanley Cup, but he might not have the experience. Tomas has amassed a grand total of 11 playoff appearances going 3-8 and hasn't seen playoff action since 2007. Clemmensen? Scott played seven minutes and made 3 saves in a New Jersey Devils playoff game in 2006. That may be the 'curse' of the Panthers, the longer you've played here the longer ago the last time you played in the playoffs, but maybe that curse is about to end and Vokoun has what it takes to make a deep playoff run or even challenge for the Cup.
So would the Panthers' goaltending squad be able to compete in the playoffs? Well, you cant really answer the question with a yes or no. Look at it this way, the Philadelphia Flyers had probably thought one of the 5 goalies they've used in the last 3 playoff seasons 'had what it took' to win the Cup, and who really thought Cam Ward or Antti Niemi had the magical quality it takes to win a cup after playing less than one full season. I'm sure Vokoun could win a Stanley Cup if he had the right team in front of him, but that isn't something a goalie has control of. Goaltenders win the Stanley Cup when they can put together a quality stretch of 20+ games on top of a playoff-worthy regular season. Stanley Cup winning goalies can find ways to frustrate the highest scoring team in the regular season for 7 games like Tim Thomas did. But who was Tim Thomas the season before? He was just a back-up, Cam Ward was an AHLer, Chris Osgood played 21 games, and maybe Tomas Vokoun was wondering what to do once his contract expired.
It's all about what conditions are present when you enter a series. In the 2011 Stanley Cup Finals we saw arguably the two best NHL goaltenders, in other finals the goalies have been less than spectacular. It would have helped Loungo if the rest of his team had shown up during the games in Boston, but again, a goalie cant control that aspect, Loungo had to play with what he was dealt. If Vokoun was faced with a good team with just an average goalie, he would certainly have a chance, but he has to have the luck to be dealt those circumstances. Cup winning goaltenders play through the season with all sorts of different performances, but perhaps the only thing they share is a bit of luck when it counted.
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You bag on Ward, but he was a highly regard prospect before he spent his first season in the NHL. A former first round pick, only reason he was in the AHL the season previous is because there was no NHL season. So did he have the pedigree to take the team to the Stanley Cup? About as much as a Carey Price, Luongo, Kari Lehtonen, or Fluery, when they were all being drafted.
Never meant to bag on him, just saying he had no NHL experience
by Chris S Roberts on Jun 16, 2011 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure, but what about the 0.882 Sv% his first season in the NHL? Any reason to think that he’d turn that 0.882 Sv% into a 0.920 for 23 games, winning a cup?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 17, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Most people have an adjustment period, as he wasn’t even the starter goin into his rookie season, but as the season went on, he took the job.
by MrOmnipotent on Jun 17, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
He posted a save percentage above 0.893 once in his final eight games. From February through the end of the season, he was terrible.
I do believe your memory is mistaken.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 17, 2011 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, forgot you’re a Philly fan, and have no idea what a good goalie is. LOL…
Sorry for the cheapshot.
by MrOmnipotent on Jun 17, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Never should have traded Salak
I think this was a bigger mistake in the long run than Frolik :(
No room at the inn for Salak; someone had to go.
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by Donny Rivette on Jun 17, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
There’s actually plenty of room, if they had traded Vokoun for a top prospect and pick, instead of Salak and Frolik for Skille and Jessiman. Even if only Frolik goes on to have a decent career in Chicago, this will go down as one of the worst trades in Panthers history, and we’ve had some horrible ones.
by MrOmnipotent on Jun 17, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
This is just like Anderson
If Dallas beats Minnesota, no one says this is a bad deal for the Panthers.
by Alexander Calloway on Jun 17, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I think both will play a big role on Chicago next year, and Salak becomes the starter by seasons end. It really felt like a Billy Beane type trade that you’d read about in moneyball, where Billy would go in wanting a specific prospect, propose a random trade, and then at the last minute going… how about adding just some prospect to make it a bit more even? What about this Salllack? Weird name, that how you say it? Yeah fine, we’ll take hi…reluctantly, somethings better than nothing right" and then when the phone hangs up, it’s hand rubbing and garfield smiles all around.
by Craig Fischer on Jun 17, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
That's not Moneyball
Moneyball was about OBP and SLG. All this trade did was show that Chicago looked at Salak’s GAA and thought “He’s our goalie of the future”. He’s nothing more than a backup goalie, and we’re all going to see it next season.
by Alexander Calloway on Jun 17, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Why is everyone in love with Salak?
His numbers in Sweden are impressive, until you look at the amount of games he played and how well the back up did playing 400 less minutes. Chicago made a big mistake making his contract one-way.
by Alexander Calloway on Jun 17, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Possibly cause he put up better numbers his first season in the A, compared to Markstrom.
by MrOmnipotent on Jun 17, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Would you rather Florida traded Markstrom?
And Salak played more minutes with Rochester than Markstrom in his first season with Rochester, and Salak played with a better Rochester team.
by Alexander Calloway on Jun 17, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d rather have not BSed the Florida fans, and sold Vokoun early when there was a market for his services, then recalled Salak from Sweden and given Salak and Markstrom time in the NHL on a rotating basis, until the Markstrom injury. And both had horrible teams in front of them. A’merks fans wanted out of that affiliation with good reason.
by MrOmnipotent on Jun 17, 2011 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Salak’s Americans finished second and scored 253 goals. Markstrom’s Americans scored 218 goals and finished dead last in the division.
by Alexander Calloway on Jun 17, 2011 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t throw stats at me tryin to prove something. Stats can be twisted and turned to support an argument in any direction. No matter what, you don’t put all your eggs into one basket. You don’t put the future of your franchise on the shoulders of one player. Ask the Isles how that’s worked out for them with DiPietro. Ask Anaheim how Hiller is looking, or ask Toronto how the Monster has worked out so far, being the futures of the franchises. Toronto was lucky to have Reimer in the system.
by MrOmnipotent on Jun 17, 2011 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t throw stats at me tryin to prove something. Stats can be twisted and turned to support an argument in any direction.
Because the alternative – opinions and memory – can’t be twisted and turned to support an argument in any direction?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 17, 2011 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Is that why the Panthers have Jacob Markstrom, Sam Brittain, Marc Cheverie, and Tyler Plante? All which are better and/or similar than to Salak.
by Alexander Calloway on Jun 18, 2011 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions
And younger. Not taking sides but something had to give in order to move Frolik and his soon-to-be-RFA status.
CHI may “win” this long-term but Frolik wasn’t a Dale player. Salak had early success in the AHL but looked very pedestrian as the season wore on.
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by Donny Rivette on Jun 20, 2011 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Loungo is gone, get over it.
Horton is gone, get over it.
Grabner is gone, get over it.
Salak is gone, get over it.
Would he have been a good goalie? Maybe, but he wont be a good goalie with the Florida Panthers, so get over it!!!
by Chris S Roberts on Jun 17, 2011 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions





















