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The Kitty Litter: June 7th Findings

  

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The Kitty Litter is a weekly article that showcases and looks at the intricate and interesting stories that might just have to be sifted through so you can find a real treasure.

Todays findings: Trading with the Panthers is awesome, Florida's scouting staff has excelled, the Erik Gudbranson contract negotiations, and funny 2011 Draftee names. 

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 When Dale Tallon joined the Florida Panthers as General Manager of the franchise he vowed to shake things up, and change the culture of the organization. He showed he was unafraid to make a deal--even the controversial ones that involve fan favourites--and no deals were as fearless as the deals he made at and around the 2010 Entry Draft. In some sort of very odd coincidence that has Sir WIlliam Shatner, bellowing "Weird or What?", the only deals Dale and company would pull the trigger on in and around this time were to the eventual Stanley Cup competitors--the Boston Bruins and Vancouver Canucks. With the draft quickly approaching...anyone want to strike up a deal with the Cats? A lot of people in the twitterverse are talking about Stephen Weiss.

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              Weird or Weiss?

Forget Hakan Andersson (the much written about European scout for the Detroit Red Wings) who has had a propensity for finding a diamond deep in the rough--Did you know the Panthers have converted 50% of their draft picks drafted past the 6th round in the last 3 seasons? That is way beyond the NHL median. Scott Timmins (2009 7th rounder) and Matt Bartkowski (2008 6th rounder, now in the Bruins system) have both cracked NHL lineups early in their career and look to compete for roster spots next season.

Despite having the current lowest total NHL Salary, did you know the Panthers actually have the highest non-rostered player salary in the Southeast division? It's probably just a fact that the Panthers have a lot of young talent, but one can't help but wonder if there is a bit of mismanagement still to wade through--especially when the team has struggled economically.

  •  FLA: $12,098,333
  •  ATL: $11,082,449
  •  CAR: $10,963,332
  •  WSH: $8,142,497
  •  TB: $7,969,721

 Numbers provided by Capgeek.com

 Fun Fact: This is the order in which these teams will draft on June 24th.

@HockeyBreak is reporting the Panthers are having a difficult time trying to sign Erik Gudbranson. Keep your eye on this matter--it's not imperative he gets signed soon like we saw with Garrett Wilson, but Tallon has expressed an interest in bringing Erik into the fold this season--and given how close both sides were last year, it's a bit surprising that something just can't be easily hatched out which breathes fire into the rumours. Follow this closely--especially after the Tim Erixon fiasco in Calgary, where some people believe Glen Sather "massaged the system" to get a top ranked prospect for very little.

- I had a very interesting discussion with someone today about their drafting strategy in NHL2011 for the Xbox 360. They drafted players based purely on the way  their names looked and sounded. Forwards with the first name "Rocky" were especially favoured. What's interesting is it's been reported in other sports that this has played a factor in the drafting of certain players--"marketing reasons" seem to be enveloping sport on a daily basis--but just for fun, who do you think has the best name in 2011 draft class?

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 Horatio Bergeron--The Latvian Prince, scores a game winning goal for the Canucks.

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 I’m trying something new with this little article— It’s light reading, but I think it’s interesting stuff. If anyone has any suggestions on how I could develop this feel free to do so—also if you have any ideas for interesting little tidbits to discuss send em my way. :)

by Craig Fischer on Jun 7, 2011 1:08 PM EDT reply actions  

I think you said something on an earlier post here on LBC about Jim Rutherford’s theory about drafting, that selecting forwards with the first few rounds in the draft and holding back on drafting defensemen until the later rounds was better because defensemen take so long to develop. That’s a strategy that I’ve used pretty heavily in NHL 2011. I have a Panthers dynasty mode that I’ve played since the game came out and I’ve drafted a lot of players in it (I think I’m currently in the 2020 – ‘21 season). Ironically enough, after the single truly bad season my Panthers team had in this particular dynasty mode I managed to net the 7th overall pick, I selected a player named Rudy Glencross in that spot and he became an eventual Rocket Richard, and Conn Smythe winner in the same season. He’s an exceptional example, but I think about 4 – 5 forwards out of all of the players selected through the number of seasons I’ve played in that game that I selected in the first three rounds have been top 6 quality with about an equal number being good enough to be top 9 type players.

by JDMorris on Jun 7, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

BTW, one of the other forwards that I mentioned who was top 6 quality was named Orlando Mara.

by JDMorris on Jun 7, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

1st round picks from 2010

with a couple more inking deals recently, i am curious who else remains unsigned and how this bodes for florida in getting a deal with guds done? surprised it is taking this long.

by madcat78 on Jun 7, 2011 1:43 PM EDT reply actions  

While Cohen was here, and then DeBoer, I couldn’t see the Panthers trading Weiss. Now I can see it happening, to maximize his value on the trade market, and bring in a few more similarly aged prospects with similar potential as Weiss to go with the core Tallon is building.

BUT….

I have maintained in all my ramblings about rebuilding this franchise, Weiss is the sole name I would keep on this team. He’s young, he’s been through the crap years of this team, he knows the market. He’s developed into the leader many thought he’d be when comparing him to Yzerman prior to being drafted. He should stay and be the captain of this team for years to come. Not sign a free agent or acquire another player through trades and put the C on them. Dumping Weiss at this time would be almost the equivalent of dumpin Stu Barnes when they did, and just a truly stupid move.

by MrOmnipotent on Jun 7, 2011 4:12 PM EDT reply actions  

It would also probably lead to whatever team he went to being an immediate cup contender…

by JDMorris on Jun 7, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like this! Good stuff Craig!

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When Olesz skates, empires will fall

by Chris S Roberts on Jun 7, 2011 6:35 PM EDT reply actions  

One person who wasn't signed yet..

Is apparently looking for other means of income to fill the gap.. come on St. Louis get it done already!

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by Rob PKane McMahon on Jun 7, 2011 6:58 PM EDT reply actions  

The best name is this draft is

Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, for he is the spawn of Ted Nugent and Sir Anthony Hopkins

by Alexander Calloway on Jun 7, 2011 8:11 PM EDT reply actions  

And best of all: Meg Ryan!

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by Donny Rivette on Jun 7, 2011 8:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

PHI acquires bryzgalov…easy 4+ Million a year contract. Jeff Carter is a sure bet to be moved. Just something to think about.

by Colt1235 on Jun 7, 2011 9:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Anyone know the rule on being over the salary cap….say they sign bryzgalov who puts them over the cap, but make moves and by the time the season starts they are back under…is there a penalty or do you just have to be under cap by time season starts?

by Colt1235 on Jun 7, 2011 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Got to be under the cap by season opener (or very close to that)

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by Donny Rivette on Jun 7, 2011 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Per Capgeek, PHI has less than $400k to work with as cap currently stands. Someone’s got to go. Bring on da poaching.

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by Donny Rivette on Jun 7, 2011 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

now is that including the UFAs like Leino, or is it without?

by Colt1235 on Jun 7, 2011 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

That number does not include UFAs; minus UFAs the salary number is $58,969,155 (again, per CapGeek)

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by Donny Rivette on Jun 7, 2011 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

But it’s reasonable to assume some of the UFA/RFAs will be resigned; and keep in mind the cap is likely to rise by $3M or more.

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by Donny Rivette on Jun 7, 2011 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but they gotta spend some of that on Bryz. Leino will want 3-4M too

by Colt1235 on Jun 7, 2011 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just trade us Carter and I can go buy a red jersey

by Colt1235 on Jun 7, 2011 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

With ya ;)

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by Donny Rivette on Jun 7, 2011 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

My dad is calling the rep tomorrow to see if he can swing a deal that those “new” STH people will be getting…ill let yall know

by Colt1235 on Jun 7, 2011 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Please do

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by Donny Rivette on Jun 7, 2011 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Besides…Carter is looking at a full no-trade clause in a year, not to mention he’s got a cap hit of $5,272,727 for the next ELEVEN years.

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by Donny Rivette on Jun 7, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll take that cap hit and have an all star for 11 years. Sense of security in getting a new jersey. My TVO one might be running out

by Colt1235 on Jun 7, 2011 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’ll be 37 at the end of it

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by Donny Rivette on Jun 7, 2011 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Any case, they need to move salary, since Bryzgalov is looking for big dollars.

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by Donny Rivette on Jun 7, 2011 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

And the odds of us getting Carter?

I honestly don’t think would be very high.. Sure I’d love him if he is who the flyers get rid of.. But in all honesty what would we trade? Because we know Tallon loves his prospects, and I personally would keep Weiss over Carter in the long run because I think leadership wise and dedication he’s put in his time and deserves the option to stay which hes said he wants.

3rd overall pick? probably not worth it as well.. so whats that leave us with? Booth? they’d still have to find a way to drop a little salary..

by Rob PKane McMahon on Jun 7, 2011 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

They wouldnt take booth or weiss. Price wont be very high. Will want cheap young players. I would trade dadonov + 2nd round or something like that

by Colt1235 on Jun 7, 2011 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m leery of the eleven years like Donny, but I think I’d have to make that move. The offense would get an immediate upgrade and a legitimate second-scoring center. I still like my idea of a Drury trade though, which accomplishes a similar thing, only without the long-term hangup.

by badger737 on Jun 8, 2011 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t want to be saddled with anyone for 11 years, regardless of current stats or pedigree.

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by Donny Rivette on Jun 7, 2011 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

At this point, this team needs a star, we havent had one in a very very long time.

by Colt1235 on Jun 7, 2011 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, about 11 years… ;)

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by Donny Rivette on Jun 8, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Then we’ll make up for it!

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by Chris S Roberts on Jun 8, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Although a 1-2 punch of Carter and Bjugstad would look pretty rad though.

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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jun 7, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d take a Carter, Weiss 1-2 punch down the middle any day. Play things smart with other contracts, those two, at their present ages, augmented with wingers capable of scoring goals, would keep this team competitive for close to ten years, barring injuries. I would have traded down for Carter in ‘03 rather than draftin Horton then, but I had a very unpopular view for that draft. That’s the year I would have stock piled draft picks, as they were draftin 1st round talent players (compared to a lot of previoius drafts) still in the third round. But then again, my viewpoint differs regularly.

by MrOmnipotent on Jun 8, 2011 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dont like Carter for 11 years, especially with his hit. If Carter doesn’t pan out we’ve got another Olesz

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When Olesz skates, empires will fall

by Chris S Roberts on Jun 8, 2011 12:07 PM EDT reply actions  

He has already scored 40 goals in a season…olesz never scored 20. Dont compare them

by Colt1235 on Jun 8, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, but in Philly. I’m not so sure he could carry those numbers in Florida. I like Carter, but I really dont like his contract.

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When Olesz skates, empires will fall

by Chris S Roberts on Jun 8, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Carter has shown more, even on a bad team in Philly, than Olesz has his entire career in Sunrise. There’s no comparison. Carter earned his contract. Olesz got his on potential, and as a marketing ploy.

by MrOmnipotent on Jun 8, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Philly signs Bryz... maybe Vokoun stays?

That’s one possible destination removed from Vokoun’s options. By my thinking that increases his chances of sticking around, especially if the Panthers an improve themselves t the expense of Philly’s cap issues.

by jimmyh71 on Jun 8, 2011 12:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Thats what I was thinking, I assume PHI was one of his 3 go-to teams. I think he’ll stay at this point.

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by Chris S Roberts on Jun 8, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

…and now PHX needs a starter.

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by Donny Rivette on Jun 8, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Phoenix is like 2 steps ahead of Florida in contending, but 5 steps behind Philly.

by MrOmnipotent on Jun 8, 2011 5:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Playing for a contender

by MrOmnipotent on Jun 9, 2011 12:46 AM EDT reply actions  

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