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Last Man Standing: How Will the Panthers' Netminders Fare?

Perhaps one of the biggest stories this offseason for the Florida Panthers is the loss of Tomas Vokoun, who has departed for greener and likely playoff-bound pastures after signing with the Washington Capitals. As Panther fans and those around the league know, Vokoun was perennially a top-ten goalie, capable of stealing games for a team that really had no business winning on a regular basis. His numbers were often impressive despite the roster in front of him: since joining the Panthers in 2007, Vokoun averaged a .923 save percentage, a 2.57 GAA and almost six shutouts per season. Let us not forget too that he saw a lot more rubber than most netminders, as the Panthers have led the league in shots against two out of the last four seasons. There's no question that Vokoun earned his money in his time as a Panther, and it was a shame he wasn't rewarded with a playoff berth for all his hard work.

Alas, "Vokie" is gone, and a new crop of goalies have stepped forward to carry the torch into the 2011-2012 NHL season. We're all familiar with Scott Clemmensen, who played in relief of Vokoun over the last two seasons, albeit in limited time as Vokoun received majority of the starts. The other major player is Jose Theodore, one of the big free agency signings by Dale Tallon and Mike Santos on July 1. A former Hart and Vezina winner, Theodore has seen better days as an NHL starter, but has still posted some very solid numbers during his tours in Washington and Minnesota. Tallon and company likely brought Theodore on board as the primary starter, but Clemmensen has shown some real flashes of brilliance in his short NHL stint, and will likely compete hard for a chance at the starting gig.

The real question is: Which one will be "The Man" in Florida?

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Experience: Theodore has started almost five times as many NHL games as Clemmensen, and is almost a year older. He's got a lot more wear on the tires, as majority of Clemmensen's career has been as a backup. Theodore has shown he has the skills and tenacity to handle a full workload, as he has started over 50 games in a season six different times in his career. Logic would lend itself to Theodore getting the nod as the go-to guy then, as he has proven in his career he can handle the load. It's very likely head coach Kevin Dineen will choose to rest Theodore as he sees fit, and with a vastly improved Panther defensive corps and a new puck possession-oriented system being set into place, the number of shots against will most likely be down from last season. I would expect Theodore to get the majority of the starts, but knowing the wear and tear, he should again see around 50-55 starts this season.

Stats: Comparatively, Clemmensen and Theodore are not too far apart, aside from the larger sample size of games Theodore has started in the NHL. Both have a career .909 save percentage, down from Vokoun's .915 career average. Theodore has a lifetime 2.69 GAA; Clemmensen a 2.66. What's important to note is the statistical analysis related to the teams they've both played on. Theodore faced significantly more shots during his earlier seasons in Montreal and later in Washington, playing behind more offensively-oriented teams, while Clemmensen, playing in relief of an injured Martin Brodeur, played behind one of the best defensive teams in the league during the season where he turned heads with his solid play off the bench. In the end, statistics won't tell us too much here, except for the fact that Theodore has had a lot more experience as a starter (read: proven), and on teams that were less defensively-oriented than the New Jersey Devils.

Playoffs: There's absolutely no question who has this category in their favor: Theodore has started 51 NHL playoff games. That being said, he's only won 19 of them. There's a bit of a perception that Theodore tends to lose his composure in the playoffs, and that was obvious during his time as a Capital, where he was yanked from two straight postseason series in favor of youngster Semyon Varlamov. However, anyone who watched those games knows that Theodore was not the only one in a Caps jersey at fault. Conversely, Clemmensen has played (not started) in a single NHL playoff game as a member of the Devils, and obviously hasn't had a whiff of the postseason since he left New Jersey. Pretty safe to assume that if the Panthers make it that far this coming season, Theodore will be the man in the cage for the Cats.

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Shootouts:
 As we all know, the difference between a playoff spot and a tee time can come down to a single point, and so shootouts are a very, very important category. Both goalies have similar numbers. Over the last three seasons, Theodore has posted an 8-7 record, while Clemmensen has posted a 6-5 record. However, it's worth noting that Theodore had guys like Alex Ovechkin, Alexander Semin and Nicklas Backstrom in his shootout lineup, while Clemmensen was looking at a supporting cast featuring Rostislav Olesz, Cory Stillman and David Booth. Little bit of a difference, no?

Intangibles: Theodore has shown a lot of resiliency the last several years, dealing with the passing of a child off the ice, and his new role as a backup/mentor on the ice. As hard as all of those issues have been, he has still acted professionally in each organization he's been a part of, and posted solid numbers to boot. He'll have a chance in Florida to step back into a featured role and be a leader on a team that is still coming to terms with its new identity and character. Clemmesen has been here for several seasons now and, in the final year of his current contract, will be playing not only for a chance to be a starter this season, but a chance to continue his career in the NHL, possibly even with another team. There's no question Clemmensen has had to work hard to earn what he's gotten in his career, and that will have to continue into this season if he's going to have a shot at the starting role in net.


One of these guys has won a Hart and Vezina. The other has been mostly a career backup. Should that matter? Not in the slightest. There will be a solid battle in camp this season between these two, and no matter what happens in camp, Dineen will ride the hot hand throughout the season, resting them only when necessary. Still, there's a lot in favor of Theodore being the main netminder throughout the season, and if he is able to have a renaissance season in South Florida, the Panthers and their fans will be able to quickly forget Vokoun and hope for an end to the postseason drought.

Poll
Which goaltender will start the majority of games for Florida in 2011-12?
Jose Theodore
129 votes
Scott Clemmensen
20 votes
Neither; Tallon will acquire someone else
4 votes
A prospect such as Markstrom or Cheverie
10 votes

163 votes | Poll has closed

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Could have done much worse than Jose Theodore.

His big problems in Colorado were mainly due to his being expected to follow in the footsteps of a legend. No one in the NHL could possibly pick up Patrick Roy’s jock, and it was doubly hard on Jose because he’s from Quebec. He never had a chance.

by Warren Levine on Jul 17, 2011 11:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Mask?

Anyone have a guess as to when JT’s new mask will be unveiled for all to see? And does anyone think Clemmers will sport a new one as well in the new season?

by CatFan93 on Jul 18, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Watching Theo’s seasons with the Avs, this is 100% true. Theodore had good seasons, including an amazing playoff series against MIN, but came down with a ‘sickness’ somewhere between the 5th or 20th goal he let in in game 1 against DET. He does lose playoff composure, but if he gets us there, whatever. All we need is mediocre-half good seasons out of Jose and Clemm

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by Chris S Roberts on Jul 18, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

BIG rec.

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by Donny Rivette on Jul 17, 2011 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Donny, you’re a believer in having Markstrom compete for an NHL job this year?

by lipsonjeff on Jul 18, 2011 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

I see Markstrom taking over the job as starter by the trade deadline. Not necessarily because he earned it. But because the other two have sucked it, and Clemmer gets traded. But I see Markstrom seeing NHL duty even before then.

by MrOmnipotent on Jul 18, 2011 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Should clarify: I’d like to see him get a few starts sprinkled throughout, probably in the latter half.

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by Donny Rivette on Jul 18, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. He has to post at least one very solid season in San Antonio before he should be considered for the starting gig on the big club. He started playing much better at the end of last season before he injured his knee, so hopefully he can pick up where he left off and turn in a better performance. The team in San Antonio should be better than last year’s product in Rochester as well, so that will help Marky out.

by Ryan Meier on Jul 18, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

On the contrary...

Goalie is the one position where the Panthers have always excelled. That said I must admit I’m one of the few thrilled to see Voky gone…
When JM rushed out and nabned him after losing Roberto, I never saw once the same level of ability. Just like Jose compared to Roy. Too many nights I recall walking out of the BAC miserable about how awful he was. Sure his numbers prove he is one of the best. Unfortunately there is no kept statistic about the propensity to allow the soft goal. http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?desktop_uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DY3MoJZrInT0&v=Y3MoJZrInT0&gl=US
The laugh-er is he turned down 10 mil over 3 years to find himself with only 1 year at 1.5. True test is on for him now. Surely now no one will be able to easily lay blame at the players in front of him.

CFS93

by chesterbardo on Jul 18, 2011 6:22 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

All world goalie Luongo had a propensity to allow soft goals at extremely inopportune times also, just as bad as Vokoun. Its precisely why I bet against the Nucks this year.

by MrOmnipotent on Jul 18, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I used to refer to him as “Last-minute Louie” for that reason. There was one painful stretch where it was almost a given that he’d give one up in the last 2-3 minutes of a game regardless of circumstances.

by jimmyh71 on Jul 18, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jose

He will have a solid year I think and marky will make it I’m there sooner or later.

by CatNipp on Jul 18, 2011 7:36 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

@chesterbardo
If ALL goaltenders didn’t allow what fans deem “soft goals” pretty much every game would end in 1-0 or 2-1 scores. Did Vokoun let in bad goals sometimes? sure, but what goalie doesn’t. His GAA and save percentage back up that he is an elite goalie or worse case very, very close to it. It’s hard to be a goalie on a team who is so offensively inept that every mistake you make as a goaltender is magnified by the fact that the pop gun offense in front of you can’t overcome it.

by Todd Little on Jul 18, 2011 9:39 AM EDT reply actions  

He had soft goals against, but every goalie does, and rarely was that soft goal the reason the Panthers lost a game.

by Ryan Meier on Jul 18, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Here's the thing...

As this article states the defense is better and should allow for less shots. All I really want to see is consistant goal tending. Yes Vokie was flashy and could give us a win but some games he just was not consistant at all. It just seemed his focus was elsewhere at times. I am looking for someone who will give us a fair shot at winning and not lose the game for us as well.

A lil thunder and a lil lightning is what the Cats are going to bring this year.

by trinidaddy on Jul 18, 2011 10:32 AM EDT reply actions  

I’ll second almost everything here. However, I think Theodore is less of a step down and more like “listing lazily to the left”. He’s not going to win games for us like Vokoun did, but he’s going to be solid in net, have a save percentage between 0.91 and 0.92 and be in a rotation with Clemmer. Life will be fine. Consider this the Mike Vernon era, part deux.

by badger737 on Jul 18, 2011 10:34 AM EDT reply actions  

I thought Volky’s play slipped last season particulary the second half of the season but with all the veterans traded and the contract issue on his mind its not hard to see why. The question is would he be revitalized with our new players this year – well we will never know but we will know if he will be revitalized playing for a perrenial playoff team with one of the best offenses in the league. I’m hoping Dineen’s statement about us scoring more and allowing less shots this year takes some pressure off our goalies because when Clem had the chance to step up late last year and win the starting job for this year he didn’t do it. It will also be interesting to see how Markstrom recovers from surgery and how he does coming off the injury and long layoff.

HCM

by hcm on Jul 18, 2011 10:54 AM EDT reply actions  

If you watch a lot of hockey and see a lot of the puck possession teams like San Jose and Detroit play, you can get an idea of what Dineen wants to do here next season. Puck possession teams like that tend to be statistically better in shots and scoring chances against. What they tend to have more of, though, are odd-man rushes against, and that’s where the netminder really starts to matter.

by Ryan Meier on Jul 18, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Odd man rushes and shootouts….The Clemmer is going to have to pick up his game there.

by LAUSMAN on Jul 18, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

You mean backing up into the net isn’t a good idea on a shootout?

A lil thunder and a lil lightning is what the Cats are going to bring this year.

by trinidaddy on Jul 18, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

As stated all goalies let in a soft goal, however the timing of a softie has as much to do with it as anything. With the Panthers fragile state in past years, giving up the softie early in the game put a team with scoring difficulties firmly behind the 8 ball. Or how about how many times the Panthers would dominate a period, have 2-0 lead and a soft goal late in the period or real early in the next would change all the previous built up momentum.

For all those doubting that Theodore might “have something left”…… for Pat’s sake (Roy) he is only 34 and “could” actually be entering his prime years. I mean Tim Thomas is 36 or 37 and Dwayne Roloson is freaking 41 and having the best years of his career. I for one think that unlike many goalies who debuted as saviors and then never lived up to the hype (Lalime, Emery, and list so long I might never finish it) Theo has still put up decent personal stats, and with a solid team in front of him I see no reason why he won’t live up to his end of the bargain.

With Markstrom, Cheverie, Foster, and even Gayduschenko (sp?) in the pipeline goaltending is going to remain a non issue with the Panthers for a long time…..

by catfan927 on Jul 18, 2011 2:31 PM EDT reply actions  

The season turner for me was when we were up 1-0 against Boston at home and on a powerplay going into the third. Vokie misplayed the puck behind the net and they scored at 8 seconds in. I remember listening to Bill and Goldie talk about how the Panthers were great at keeping a lead going into that third. After that game it seemed any lead would disappear once we went into third period. I know what you mean when you speak of the time of things.

A lil thunder and a lil lightning is what the Cats are going to bring this year.

by trinidaddy on Jul 18, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Can’t wait to be proven wrong on Voky. With the team he has in front of him now, make no excuses if he does not carry them to the Eastern Final at least. Bigger question is:
Will he be easily accept sitting possibly as a #2 behind Neuvirth?

CFS93

by chesterbardo on Jul 18, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not at $1.5 million, no. But hey, I’d be cool with it, I could put $1.5 million to good use!

by Ryan Meier on Jul 18, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

The ironic thing is he should be here. If he took 3 yrs 10 mil which was the rumored offer. Is Jose the answer? Maybe not. He does have a Hart and Vezina and I’d say far from over the hill. I still like what Clemmer brings. He never got enough work under PDB. Surely KD will offer equal chance to win goalie, let alone any job.

CFS93

by chesterbardo on Jul 18, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like that JT chose to come to this team, knowing the challenges that lay ahead, and at the same time accepting the role of a goaltending “bridge” to the next stage, i.e. Markstrom. The pressure on his shoulders will be of his own making. Here’s a guy who wants to win as badly as anyone in the league, and he decided Sunrise was his best opportunity.

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by Donny Rivette on Jul 18, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or possibly, his only opportunity. Remember, it was a season ending injury that got him a job in the NHL last season.

by MrOmnipotent on Jul 18, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m aware it may have been his only offer out of the gate on UFA Day. Didn’t take him long to make the prudent choice and go with it.

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by Donny Rivette on Jul 18, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mr. O and Donny
When you are contemplating JT’s possible performance for the upcoming season, do you also take into consideration anything from his personal life that may have been a factor in “lapses” of past performance?

Be impeccable with your word, don't take anything personally, don't make assumptions, always do your best...

by RPC on Jul 18, 2011 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

His performances started to suck long before he had problems with his kid. He had a wondrous run with Montreal, became over hyped because of the market he was in, and never played to that level again. He’s marginally a back-up at this point in his career. As is Clemmensen. Come March, if the Panthers aren’t in the playoff hunt, the fans are gonna be headhunting on the goalies.

by MrOmnipotent on Jul 18, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t think I have yet said anything about how he may perform, other than that he chose to come here.

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by Donny Rivette on Jul 18, 2011 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, and like Thomas, he usually puts up his best numbers during a contract year, which he signed a two year contract with us.

by MrOmnipotent on Jul 18, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

What about

Cory Schneider? What if there were a trade between Vancouver and the Cats…Clemmer + Prospect for Schneider? Just throwing that out there, but I think it may be a good move.

A lil thunder and a lil lightning is what the Cats are going to bring this year.

by trinidaddy on Jul 18, 2011 4:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Clemmer really has no value until he becomes a UFA, though the scenario you mention might be his best opportunity, as the Nucks really need to figure out where they are going in that department.

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by Donny Rivette on Jul 18, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s what I figured about Clemmer hence the prospect as well. I was just thinking, an older goalie trying to prove he can still be in this league and a younger goalie trying to prove he can start in this league. Both given equal opportunites at first to see what happens. Could be fun…just dreaming right now though.

A lil thunder and a lil lightning is what the Cats are going to bring this year.

by trinidaddy on Jul 18, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Based on history between the Panthers and Nucks, and the value Schneider holds, its gonna cost a lot more than just a prospect and Clemmer. You're talkin

Based on history between the Panthers and Nucks, and the value Schneider holds, its gonna cost a lot more than just a prospect and Clemmer. You’re talkin one or two of the Panthers top prospects to bring in Schneider.

by MrOmnipotent on Jul 18, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

….and back to reality.

A lil thunder and a lil lightning is what the Cats are going to bring this year.

by trinidaddy on Jul 18, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

You have to remember, Schneider has played in the NHL and looked good. And the Panthers only have a bunch of unproven, untested pieces to offer, that they’d be willing to part with. At this point in time, meaning this offseason, his value is too high to trade for. Now when the trade deadline is approaching, and if the Panthers are out of the playoffs, I’d offer Versteeg (as of now, a UFA to be next offseason) and Clemmer for Schneider. At that point, you allow Schneider and Theo to battle it out and give Markstrom another year in the A. It gives Markstrom two more years of seasoning IF Schneider doesn’t pan out, and Versteeg can be resigned next summer.

by MrOmnipotent on Jul 18, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like he said…there’s a bit of dreaming involved of course.

At least a top prospect.

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by Donny Rivette on Jul 18, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I prefer to live in reality when it comes to hockey. It makes the last 11 years more tolerable, as I never got my hopes up in an empty dream after May of 04.

This (Just after the 2 minute mark) has always been something I think about. I expect the worse to happen, especially with this organization, so I don’t get my hopes and dreams crushed. But I still wish things turn for the better one day.

by MrOmnipotent on Jul 18, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

After his contract expires, Schneider would probably want an assured #1 spot and a long term contract, which might not sit well if we’re easing Marky into the NHL

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by Chris S Roberts on Jul 18, 2011 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

No one should ever be assured of a starting spot. And even if we have Markstrom, he’s the only startin caliber goalie we have in the pipeline. Boston had Toivonen as a highly regarded prospect to be their future starter. Where is he now? They traded to get Rask, who isn’t even the starter in Beantown. Schneider is a RFA, and will have limited choices. Even if he gets an offer sheet from a competing team, you still have Markstrom and 5 future first rounders. You end up in the same place we’re headed towards now, except with potentially more reward.

by MrOmnipotent on Jul 18, 2011 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dale aint trading Steeger. Too young with too much experience and charachter to deal. The only way is as a rental with sure return or else the kings ransom.

CFS93

by chesterbardo on Jul 19, 2011 12:06 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

to quote myself…

Versteeg can be resigned next summer.

by MrOmnipotent on Jul 19, 2011 4:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

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