2011 NHL / Florida Panthers UFA Day 2 - Live Open Thread
by Donny Rivette on Jul 2, 2011 8:14 PM EDT
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Nothing fancy this time around. Brad Richards, Tomas Vokoun, and a number of others still remain in search of new homes. As well, Mike Santorelli and Shawn Matthias await new contracts. Let it rip...
UPDATE: Richards to the Rags. Matt Bradley to FLA. Vokoun to the Caps. Punk.
Note: all of LBC's UFA coverage can be found here.
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NHLconnected: Confirmed: Brad Richards signs with the New York Rangers for 9 years at a $6.5 million annual cap hit.
Steve Diaz
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RealKyper: #Rangers. Apparently Richards left some money on the table and took less money to sign in Broadway. #NHL news.
Probably the Torts relationship?
Steve Diaz
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Damn, you just beat me to that one. And yes, that would be my guess. That and they actually do have a number of good young players there. The Rangers with Richards are going to go further than the Flames with Richards. And between the Leafs and Rangers, I can see going with the coach you’ve already worked with and like.
"We don't need the designated goon. Those fights aren't even fun to watch." -Mike Milbury
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What about LA. Not enough room for B. Richards to shine with M. Richards, Kopitar, etc?
Steve Diaz
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Oh right, forgot about the Kings. Don’t know. I kind of feel like it was the Leafs who offered more money, but I don’t actually know that.
"We don't need the designated goon. Those fights aren't even fun to watch." -Mike Milbury
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it was actually calgary who offered an extra 8 million or so over the same period of time.
by stopdropandbreathe on Jul 2, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, just found that out and my original reasoning still stands. I’d take less money in that situation as well.
"We don't need the designated goon. Those fights aren't even fun to watch." -Mike Milbury
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apparently the kings offered him an identical contract to the rangers. intriguing. torts must have swayed him
by stopdropandbreathe on Jul 2, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Heads up
Panthers running Lower bowl $25 a seat season ticket plan. Posted a FanShot for those interested.
Steve Diaz
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Do you know which sections? I may be mildly interested in a half season at that price, but I’m peeved at my rep and don’t want to call him.
"We don't need the designated goon. Those fights aren't even fun to watch." -Mike Milbury
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Section 111, top 4 rows. So the rows closest to the club level.
Not sure if the deal will work with half a season. You could always just call the sales office and find out. 954-835-7000
Steve Diaz
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They were advertising full and half, but not mini plans.
"We don't need the designated goon. Those fights aren't even fun to watch." -Mike Milbury
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Ah, didn’t see that. I renewed my 1st row 433 seats. I prefer the center ice view point.
Steve Diaz
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i sort of feel obliged to buy tickets. i’m the only one that i know that loves this team and have been away for school in the past but still manage to make it to around 15 games. however, the Panthers never see my money cuz i scalp. i feel obliged to let them see my money now.
by alterego6487 on Jul 2, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, my problem with that area is that it’s so hard to see the other side of the ice. I prefer the corner area. We’ve been in 422 the last couple years and were in 420 before and I like both of those sections. Lower bowl I want to be closer to center so I can see both goals, but they get a lot more expensive really fast down there.
"We don't need the designated goon. Those fights aren't even fun to watch." -Mike Milbury
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For real. I’d love to be Lower Bowl center ice, but I don’t have 5-6 grand to blow.
We need to be sponsored by the Panthers and get some sweet tickets.
Steve Diaz
Twitter - @sdiaz6215
We sit 410 (behind our net) and its perfect, just above that God aweful netting. We have a clean view across ice.
by Ad1zzl3 on Jul 2, 2011 11:26 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
John & Steve
I’ve got seats in 134 Row 10. Right above the opposing team entrance. I split the season, if you just wanted a few games lower bowl I’m sure we could work out something.. its 2 seats.
my email:lefthookpro@yahoo.com
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by RPC on Jul 2, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe its Row 12.. i never remember correctly!
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by RPC on Jul 2, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I like the shoot twice goal seats, at least I did with vokoun in goal, might get to be a bit more painful to watch now…
by Robert Wright on Jul 2, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
might be a little less action at your end now.
by MrOmnipotent on Jul 2, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Its funny we no longer have a top goaltender
but we actually have a NHL team now. I haven’t been this excited since the Valeri, Viktor, Pavel line. Go DALE. Keep it rolling.
It's still possible we sign Vokoun...
That would make us pretty formidable, if we weren’t already.
Steve Diaz
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Not happening. Dale pretty much said as much at the press conference last night.
"We don't need the designated goon. Those fights aren't even fun to watch." -Mike Milbury
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Yeah, he sounded like he was over it. :/
Wonder what’s next for Voky.
Steve Diaz
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The KHL?
"We don't need the designated goon. Those fights aren't even fun to watch." -Mike Milbury
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What a tragedy that would be. Especially since he evidently likes South Florida.
I get the impression the two sides are playing chicken.
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by Donny Rivette on Jul 2, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Could be. Could also be he’s the next Nabokov, pricing himself off all the teams who were interested.
"We don't need the designated goon. Those fights aren't even fun to watch." -Mike Milbury
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(Recent) history repeating. Incredible short-sightedness. Not sure his agent is being realistic.
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by Donny Rivette on Jul 2, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Is it possible they have the same agent?
by MrOmnipotent on Jul 2, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I did ask that yesterday, but no one knew.
"We don't need the designated goon. Those fights aren't even fun to watch." -Mike Milbury
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I was told that he is signing a 1 yr with the caps from a very credible source
by Ad1zzl3 on Jul 2, 2011 12:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Funny story.. Nabokovs agent is also weiss’ agent.. and stamkos. and santorelli (no wonder there hasnt been talks, hes focusing on his paycheck named stamkos) oh and brad richards.. this guy sure does get around and has been busy.. I’m surprised hes not a millionaire himself with all of the players hes the agent for..
by Rob PKane McMahon on Jul 2, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Same agent, or same agency? A lot of times, its one guy owning an agency and being the face of it, but there are others doing the work, negotiating, and being the individual agents. The face only comes in, when nothing is being accomplished.
Yeah, from the sounds of it, Richards and Stamkos have different agents at the same agency. Don’t know about the others.
"We don't need the designated goon. Those fights aren't even fun to watch." -Mike Milbury
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stamkos
i just want to sign him to an offer sheet, id love to have him instead of 4-first rounders, or atleast tie tampa’s hands behind their backs and put concrete around their feet and toss em in the belly of the gold coast.
by stopdropandbreathe on Jul 2, 2011 11:25 AM EDT reply actions
Could be some bodies to move out
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by Donny Rivette on Jul 2, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
was thinking we kind have a gluttony of Defenseman now…with those studs coming in the next two years. maybe get rid of them?
i’d like to see Guddy and Santo signed today..
by alterego6487 on Jul 2, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Whatchoo talking about? We have 4 defenseman contracts expiring next year. That’s loads of space to bring up those guys. Kuli will get resigned and get the big bucks, but they can always walk away from Garrison, Weaver and Ellerby if they want to make room next year.
"We don't need the designated goon. Those fights aren't even fun to watch." -Mike Milbury
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fair enough. didn’t quite realize the expiring contracts.
by alterego6487 on Jul 2, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, only Campbell and Jovo are signed past this year. They have a full roster for this year on D and serious flexibility for next.
"We don't need the designated goon. Those fights aren't even fun to watch." -Mike Milbury
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the flexibility is truly incredible. even after yesterday’s shopping spree, there is a need to get to the floor again next year. that’s without resigning RFA’s and UFA’s we own for this season, but stil!
by alterego6487 on Jul 2, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s the truth for everyone who doesn’t have $8-10mil players. Everyone’s bagging on Florida for raising the UFA prices, but we didn’t invent the floor. The Isles may find themselves in the same boat, as well. They have 18 guys signed and are still $6mil under floor.
"We don't need the designated goon. Those fights aren't even fun to watch." -Mike Milbury
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Why purge the farm, when just about everyone there can be sent down without having to worry about waivers? Only people we’d have to worry about being claimed are Rhino and Cullen, and I doubt anyone is takin either.
by MrOmnipotent on Jul 2, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
You think? I think that only happens if we pick up a big name in a trade. Otherwise, they weed the guys out at camp. I see some trades happening then if some of the prospects make the cut.
"We don't need the designated goon. Those fights aren't even fun to watch." -Mike Milbury
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id like to see some pieces sent off for a legit goal scorer, then im comfortable filling other spots with young guys
by stopdropandbreathe on Jul 2, 2011 11:33 AM EDT reply actions
Looking at Capgeek...
Guess who’s right up against the cap ceiling now. No, not the Flyers. The Sabres.
"We don't need the designated goon. Those fights aren't even fun to watch." -Mike Milbury
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New owner and a motivation to rehab the franchise by bringing in the pieces, cost be damned.
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Yep ^
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by Donny Rivette on Jul 2, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
If we do resign Vokoun then I would expect to see Clemmer get traded.
by siddious on Jul 2, 2011 11:35 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Nowhere to go. There’s a trash heap of capable backups without jobs.
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by Donny Rivette on Jul 2, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
come on donny, we can always just play 4 lines with booth doubling and have three goalies on the bench! TOTALLY PLAUSIBLE
by stopdropandbreathe on Jul 2, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, there’s a league rule against carrying three goalies. You can only do it twice a season for 48 hours.
"We don't need the designated goon. Those fights aren't even fun to watch." -Mike Milbury
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how was Phili able to do that in the Playoffs then? is there an exception for the playoffs?
- Go Panthers -
by flpanther360 on Jul 2, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
if someone is scratched theyre not sitting on the bench
by Rob PKane McMahon on Jul 2, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Right, didn’t think about that.
- Go Panthers -
by flpanther360 on Jul 2, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
They swapped the guys on and off the roster. When Leighton was playing, Bobrovsky wasn’t on the active roster and couldn’t dress for games or take part in warm-ups. Under the exemption, all three guys can take part in the warmups and then they can scratch one off the game roster before the first period.
"We don't need the designated goon. Those fights aren't even fun to watch." -Mike Milbury
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just getting in and..
I find it funny richards decided with the rangers.. lol you’d think if he’s going to take the same money he made last year he’d go to a team thats more capable of contending then the rangers. Like the rangers or not people need to realized that in past years no matter who they signed they always manage to disappoint year after year. If I myself as a player were signing a big contract that would be a big factor in not going there, and face it Richards is good, but he’s not THAT good as you look at his numbers from the past..
I think he made a foolish move not going to Tampa or even philly if they sent him an offer.
Sure it might come back and bite me in the ass but overall I think theres a good chance he’s going to go there and end up not making it past the east finals for the rest of his career.
by Rob PKane McMahon on Jul 2, 2011 12:11 PM EDT reply actions
And who might be joining him?
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by Donny Rivette on Jul 2, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
you should be able to unrec something so it turns red. :p
by Rob PKane McMahon on Jul 2, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve always asked myself why he couldn’t be his brother lol
by HockeyKnight on Jul 2, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
From ESPN Insider article “Day 1 FA Winners and Losers”- their first under the loser category:
“Losers
Florida Panthers
There are many ways to get to the salary floor, and this is one of them. Trade for Brian Cambell’s enormous contract (that GM Dale Tallon signed in the first place, in Chicago), overpay LW Tomas Fleischmann — coming off a medical condition that may have scared off other bidders — and throw money at a rapidly declining 34-year-old D Ed Jovanovski, whose deal may already look bad in 2011-12, let alone four seasons down the line.
Yet sometimes the worst deals are the ones that are never made. It’s a mystery why the Panthers never dealt elite goaltender Tomas Vokoun at any point over the past two seasons, instead choosing to likely lose him for nothing in free agency. And if Vokoun — one of the best couple of NHL netminders since the lockout — in fact doesn’t re-sign with Florida, they can improve at every other position and still likely finish lower in the standings due to the magnitude of his loss."
Personally I think it’s stupid, while this year isn’t necessarily a throw away year it is more of a bridge to the next season when many prospects will be ready to come up and take over. It sets a foundation for them to come in to, including potentially Markstrom, Gudbranson, Howden, Huberdeau, etc… And while we will of course miss Vokoun, I really feel it won’t be as much as some people think. Just my opinion
I didn’t know you have a losing day when you improve your team 10x over what it was the previous season.. apparently we’ve entered some kind of bazarro world where good means bad. Some of the prices might have been slightly high but at the same time the prices arent THAT far off. People need to get over the knocking of the panthers, even american press does it and it’s quite annoying. Good thing their foot will be in mouth soon enough.
by Rob PKane McMahon on Jul 2, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. We didn’t sign a Crosby or Stamkos (yet? I’m too hopeful…) but we have depth that we haven’t had in years and years, we can compete with every line, our blueline looks great (on paper, but I’ll admit we need to see it on the ice too). Plus we had the money to spend and didn’t get absolutely ridiculous with contracts
by HockeyKnight on Jul 2, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
the only thing i agree with is losing Vokoun for nothing. i’d been anticipating him being traded for the last two deadlines….and he didn’t go anywhere
by alterego6487 on Jul 2, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I was actually thinking last night about this..
Obviously if you can pencil Vokoun in over Theodore on any given night you do it. but if you look at theos play from the past he’s actually very good, hes just had some bad luck during his career. Should that luck return then we have a very capapable backup with clemmer. Would love for Theo to shut them all up and have an amazing come back year as a #1..
Besides, if Vokoun wanted to resign here so badly like every article led us to believe then he would have instead of ‘testing the waters’. He said he want’s to resign with the cats but if a team who could potentially make him an offer he wouldnt be able to refuse.. Guess what buddy, Tallon isn’t going to sit and wait around to know his fate, he’s going to make his own and in turn you’re just on the outside looking in, and tallon doesn’t appear to have any interest in opening the door. Good luck wherever, unless things drastically change with some team right now, I expect him to go the way of Nabokov.. unless of course he gets an offer from the Islanders.. oh wait.
by Rob PKane McMahon on Jul 2, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
IF....
Vokoun was as good as this writer claims he is, then he could have been signed during the Frenzy to some team. But, NO it didn’t happen. I like Vokoun but as my wife and I would say, “He looks like his mind is back in The Czech Republic.” I mean he’s good but sometimes it’s as though he plays 50 minutes of great hockey but for 10 minutes and I don’t know where the hell his head goes too. I’m must saying… Yes I know Clemmonsen and Theodore aren’t the best goalies but I hope that they can be consistant. Honestly that’s what we need. Please let us know if you are good or bad right away so we can fix it. Dont’ have these great 3 games then blow leads the next 10…Ok I’m done.
I’m going to put all of the various “grades” into a post for publication tomorrow. Lots of resentment out there.
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by Donny Rivette on Jul 2, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
92 more days..
kinda hope the cats make some kind of trade within the coming weeks.. maybe pick up something nice for us to go crazy about like yesterday.
by Rob PKane McMahon on Jul 2, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
76 days...
Until the first preseason game, which is a double header. Should be fun.
Steve Diaz
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Yes. I expect to see him loaned off again.
The Ghost of David Nemirovsky
by panthersfan27 on Jul 2, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I would think so as well. Not many options.
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by Donny Rivette on Jul 2, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Anthony Stewart
$1.8M over two years, to CAR
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Now that is an overpayment.
The Ghost of David Nemirovsky
by panthersfan27 on Jul 2, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Clay Wilson...
…to CGY; 2 yrs at $535,000 per.
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yowza
DarrenDreger: Paperwork being worked on between the Leafs and Tim Connolly. 2 year agreement @ $4.75 aav.
Steve Diaz
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Anybody seen Jovanovski on the Panthers roster list on the homepage?
It’s his picture from 1996.
by JDMorris on Jul 2, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
had to look for myself
it’s fun to look at the pictures of the new players and give them thought balloons.
Upshall: “if he knows that I know that he knows that I know what he’s gonna do….”
Versteeg: “I have a toof!”
Kopecky: “When I’m done with you I’m going after your family.”
etc…
Opening Day is too far away. I’m gonna go nuts before then.
notice the goalies?
theyre slackin over there…
by Rob PKane McMahon on Jul 2, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Panthers sign Bradley / Rallo
Panthers signed two more players today, signing right winger Matt Bradley to a two year contract and center Greg Rallo to a one year contract.
by stopdropandbreathe on Jul 2, 2011 3:19 PM EDT reply actions
Good for Versteeg and good for us to get him. The only thing I’m not too thrilled about is sending a 2nd and a 3rd to PHI for him, when he only has 1 year left on his contract. I think picks are too valuable, especially for a 20 odd goal player.
by Pilchino on Jul 2, 2011 3:22 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
seems like a safe bet to say that if versteeg does well the first half of the season, he will have a reasonable contract extension by deadline time.
by stopdropandbreathe on Jul 2, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I think so too and don’t get me wrong, I think he’s a good addition. I just hate seeing picks going out the door. Hopefully PHI gets the 2nd in 2013, when it will be a low 2nd rounder.
by Pilchino on Jul 2, 2011 3:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
One of the picks was from San Jose. So we only gave up one in essence.
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by panthersfan27 on Jul 2, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
its a safe bet the 3rd rounder wasnt out pick which basically means we gave up a 2nd rounder for steeg, if all goes well this yr that 2nd rounder will be late and well worth steeg.. who is on a contract yr and may step his game up, plus hes an rfa next yr so we cant lose.
by Rob PKane McMahon on Jul 2, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
The third round pick is San Jose’s
"We don't need the designated goon. Those fights aren't even fun to watch." -Mike Milbury
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Right, but we got that pick to trade down in the 2nd this year. So really, we got that pick for something.
id say trading down in the roughly 10 spots and giving up a 2nd is worth versteeg… better than the 1st and 3rd philly paid for him
by Rob PKane McMahon on Jul 2, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m also really happy to have landed steeg, ive wanted him since last off season when we got tallon and i heard they were trading hawks players left n right… a year later im still SO happy to grab him, he may not be the best player in the league, but hes one of my favorites..
then again the list of my favorites around the league other than crosby and Kane arent exactly star status lol… Grabner, seabrooke, bates battaglia (hasnt played for awhile) kostitsyn..
by Rob PKane McMahon on Jul 2, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
:/
LAKings: #LAKings reach verbal agreement with left wing Simon Gagne on two-year contract. More details to come.
I’m still a Gagne fan.
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Oh no. I was so hoping if we couldn’t get him that those Flyers rumors would pan out.
"We don't need the designated goon. Those fights aren't even fun to watch." -Mike Milbury
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I always liked him...
and a good friend of mine is a flyers and tb fan so the idea of him going from one to the other way ok to her… she absolutely hates florida so he was one pick i REALLY wanted.
always nice to tease someone, now i have no chance to D:
by Rob PKane McMahon on Jul 2, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Stamkos Update
RealKyper: #NHL news Should be interesting 2 see if Stamkos takes 7.5M x 5 yrs that’s on the table for him by #Lightning or will he look for more?
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i’d go as far as saying 10mil per for 5 yrs and 6mil per for 3… 68 mil over 8 yrs.. 8.5mil each..
front load the contract which could hurt them over the yrs..
by Rob PKane McMahon on Jul 2, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess this is another reason I wish we had signed Eager..
by Rob PKane McMahon on Jul 2, 2011 5:03 PM EDT reply actions
nothing that ive heard..
kind of wish there was audio from the phone calls with players or their agents yesterday on some of the cats deals.
by Rob PKane McMahon on Jul 2, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Caps, 1 year, $1.5mil.
"We don't need the designated goon. Those fights aren't even fun to watch." -Mike Milbury
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Vokoun to Caps..
big surprise there…
too bad he’ll never get his cup.
by Rob PKane McMahon on Jul 2, 2011 6:18 PM EDT reply actions
How pissed is Michael Neuvirth right now?
"We don't need the designated goon. Those fights aren't even fun to watch." -Mike Milbury
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Same money, one more year.
"We don't need the designated goon. Those fights aren't even fun to watch." -Mike Milbury
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1yr 1.5mil…
he’s an idiot and missed out on something good, as well as much more money.
I just lost a lot of respect for him.
by Rob PKane McMahon on Jul 2, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
In the end, he accepted the lower deal in order to get a 100% insurance that he’ll be in the playoffs.
- Go Panthers -
…and that indeed. I have respect for Horton because he went through 7 years here and didn’t see it getting better, thats why he jumped ship. Vokoun went through 4 years here, knew it was getting much better, decided for a 100% chance to get into the playoffs. He’s an ass.
- Go Panthers -
he could have had the decency to contact tallon and given him the option to match the contract or even give another offer based on the lowball figure he took. It shows that he never cared to be here and it was all talk so he didnt look bad. but this completely nulifys that.
by Rob PKane McMahon on Jul 2, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
GR estimating the Panthers would have paid him twice that for more years.
In any case, the ship sailed for Tallon once he signed Theodore. Vokoun was finished here. Remember, Tallon wants guys who want to be Panthers. Right now, it’s more important that JT wants to be here than that TVo is the better goalie, because he’s got a guy who should be better than both in a couple of years.
"We don't need the designated goon. Those fights aren't even fun to watch." -Mike Milbury
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Theo wanted to be here, cause he wouldn’t have an NHL job otherwise. The kid in Minny had to go out for the season, for Theo to have a job last season.
The why isn’t important. Yet. What’s important is the new guy wants to be here and the old guy doesn’t.
"We don't need the designated goon. Those fights aren't even fun to watch." -Mike Milbury
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What’s important, regardless of where they want to be, is how they stop the pucks during a game, or more often than not in Theo’s history, if he stops the puck. Theo only has good years when its a contract year.
So Clemmensen plays. And if that doesn’t work out, there’s a billion other guys out there. Doesn’t matter. The goal is long-term, not this season. Tallon’s trying to build a dressing room now and a winner later.
"We don't need the designated goon. Those fights aren't even fun to watch." -Mike Milbury
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He’s tryin to build both now. Don’t fool yourself. He’s ready for the letdown, but he’s lookin to win, this year.
I don’t think he has any expectation of winning this year, he does however have expectations that we improve greatly, and possibly make the playoffs.
nobody expected the hawks to make the playoffs in 09.. and they ended up going a far as the west finals, sometimes its nice to not set expectations so high..
btw being in the building during game 3 in chicago when they beat the wings in OT was amazing. it’s what got me on board as a hawks fan.
by Rob PKane McMahon on Jul 2, 2011 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, I don’t think he wants to lose, or doesn’t want to win. I’m just saying that he’s taking guys who want to be here over those that don’t even if the first guy is a better player, if that’s what it comes to. That appears to be the case with Vokoun. Vokoun wanted to go where he was guaranteed to make the playoffs and didn’t think it was here. Tallon needed a goalie and Theodore’s the guy he went with. We can argue about whether that was the right decision all season, but Tallon gave his reason and I was just repeating it.
Do I think Theodore is the best goalie that was available? No. But that guy didn’t want to be here and took less money from another team to not play here.
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It will be easy for the cats to beat was this year. Just throw soft shots at Voky’s legs and Lol as they go in.
by siddious on Jul 2, 2011 8:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
For the same price
as Theodore.
I feel sick……….
He wasn’t going to sign here for that.
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by Donny Rivette on Jul 2, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish Vokie the best of luck. Though I find it hilarious how much of a paycut he took and that it is a one-year deal.
The Ghost of David Nemirovsky
Only option he had, and if he signed for longer he’d be on the caps book for more money im sure..
taking a paycut or not, i still concider him a sellout now. hes not going to win anything there
by Rob PKane McMahon on Jul 2, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
havent heard anything about him so dont think hes even available?
and even if he was tallon most likely wouldnt go after him nor do i think he’d sign here..
not going to get over the vokoun thing though, i have less respect for him then horton at this point
by Rob PKane McMahon on Jul 2, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
hadnt heard any talk of him or seen him on any lists so assumed there was a reason for it.. he’s good and would actually improve the team but i still wouldnt want him here.
by Rob PKane McMahon on Jul 2, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
No, I’m pretty sure the Isles tolled the contract and he’s on the hook for a year there.
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Everyone has him listed as a free agent. If he tried to play in the NHL, they might have done something, but I think even he admits, his best days are long behind him now.
I guess we’d have to check with Garth Snow to be sure, but the reports a few weeks ago say he tolled the contract and Nabokov was under contract for this season. Yesterday the Globe & Mail mentioned it as well in an article about the Avs picking up Varlamov.
"We don't need the designated goon. Those fights aren't even fun to watch." -Mike Milbury
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Was trying to find a list of free agents next year..
Just to see what might become available, and if we do in fact improve and become the detination everyone is making us seem to be becoming.. and well..
Dustin Penner.. Ales Hemsky (one of my favs).. Patrick Sharp (another tallon reuinion?).. Alex Semin.. Ryan Smyth.. Shane Doan.. Rinne
No real clear cut superstar but still a good pool to choose from..
however when I moved on to 2013.. O M G.
Crosby.. Iginla.. Elias.. Perry.. Getzlaf.. Ribeiro.. Lupol.. Hartnell.. PM Bouchard.. Jordan Staal.. Zajac.. Clowe.. Weiss.. Backstrom.. Howard..
Seems like we’re always just off when it comes to timing..
by Rob PKane McMahon on Jul 2, 2011 7:03 PM EDT reply actions
i think the “superstar” we’re all waiting for is coming in the form of Huberdeau
….or at least that’s the “superstar” i think Dale is waiting for.
Oh I know..
As much as I love Crosby I’m realistic to the fact that he’d never sign here. I mean I hope I’m wrong but still..
As far as next year though Sharp or Hemsky would both be awesome pickups.. or even just one.
by Rob PKane McMahon on Jul 2, 2011 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Cindy is a little whiny baby who gets head booboos and cant see straight!
by Chris S Roberts on Jul 2, 2011 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
But booth having two in one year is acceptable.
concussions or not, if he comes back and plays a majority of next season with no issue I would put money on saying he’ll lead the league in goals and points.
by Rob PKane McMahon on Jul 2, 2011 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Kidding Rob, dont you know by now I hate Crosby? :D
Cindy will be fine, but probably will have a drop in production like Booth.
by Chris S Roberts on Jul 2, 2011 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
if we go realistically after the severity.. id say he nets 40 and has 90+ pts
by Rob PKane McMahon on Jul 2, 2011 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Sharp could be that last piece..
But Hemsky is damn good too.. more of a setup guy though but can still net 20+
by Rob PKane McMahon on Jul 2, 2011 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
realistic prediction..
Theodore goes 30-22-8
Clemmenson 11-8-3
93 pts. my that number sounds oddly familiar… ah yes! damn canadiens _
by Rob PKane McMahon on Jul 2, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont want any of these players, I want our own.
by Chris S Roberts on Jul 2, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
kids got character.
Rocco Grimaldi
People will hate you, rate you, break you and shake you. How strong you stand is what makes you. Stand strong. Stay the course
by Rob PKane McMahon on Jul 2, 2011 7:32 PM EDT reply actions
A little to look forward to from Matt Bradley..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IJIjGn2Jaw We see Red?!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n89APhIEzWY&feature=related Tarnasky!
by Rob PKane McMahon on Jul 2, 2011 7:53 PM EDT reply actions
Another great one against tootoo..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rO0RB4LVlnU
Bradley’s face sure is sensative.. guys got heart though
by Rob PKane McMahon on Jul 2, 2011 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Thread will archive to "NHL Free Agency - 2011" in "Sections" at 9pm
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