Redefining the New Panthers: Brian Campbell
It didn't take long for Dale Tallon to make his mark on the Florida Panthers. Over the course of two weeks fans of all teams were awed as Tallon and Mike Santos drafted 10 prospects and brought in 10 new roster players to completely reshape and reinvigorate the Panthers. The players drafted this year should all be considered long-term projects, but the trades and signings made were for real NHL players with real NHL contracts. Each player brought in has different qualities and concerns, but the objective as always is to make the Panthers a better team.
After signing a big contract with Chicago, Brian Campbell was a labeled as an 'untradeable' player. No, not because he was Wayne Gretzky or Mario Lemieux, but because no other team would possibly consider taking in the $7.1 million cap hit he lugs around. Well, the untradeable player was traded, and the Panthers will have Campbell for quite a while. Brian Campbell brings a lot more to the Panthers than his two way game and a hulking contract; in fact what Campbell brought to the Panthers is worth its weight in gold. More after the jump.
Let's look at the immediate history of Brian Campbell:
Brian Campbell signed with the Chicago Blackhawks on July 1st 2008 with an eight year, $57 million contract (the GM offering the deal? Dale Tallon.) Campbell would put up 58, 38 and 27 point seasons with the Blackhawks (his second and third seasons were limited to around 65 games) before being traded at the 2011 Entry Draft for Rostislav Olesz, who carried his own big contract. Contracts aside, the Panthers easily won the trade, but the ripple the Campbell move sent through the NHL would have a much bigger effect on the Panthers just days later.
The intangibles that Campbell brought to the Panthers was overshadowed by his contract, but the credibility did not go unnoticed by the soon to be unrestricted free agents. Days later, pending UFA Tomas Kopecky signed with the Panthers. On July 1st and 2nd, seven UFAs signed deals with Florida. The faith Campbell showed in Tallon by waiving his no-trade clause with the recent Stanley Cup champions to come to a lowly rebuilding team started a chain reaction of signings and trades that completely overhauled the roster.
Say what you will about Campbell's contract, at this point it's hardly relevant. In the future when Campbell is older and the Panthers youth are looking for raises, go ahead and bring it up. But for whom it may concern, personally I would have made the trade for a Rick DiPietro contract if it meant bringing 3 new lines and a sense of competition to a Florida team which was once comprised of AHL callups and assured roster spots. Sure, the 2011 free agent class wasn't spectacular, but the Panthers signed more legitimate players than any other team, whether they were overpaid or not. For that we can all thank Brian Campbell.
So far, all I've written is about what Campbell has done for the Panthers without even practicing with the team, let alone suiting up for the 2011-12 season. The addition of Campbell to the blueline replaces the offensive minded Dennis Wideman and helps account for the loss of leadership after Bryan McCabe and Bryan Allen were shipped out. After the initial trade for Campbell, Chicago fans balanced their relief of shedding his contract with discontent that one of their best penalty killers was leaving. Campbell devoured minutes last season averaging nearly 23 minutes a game (roughly Jason Garrison minutes). Campbell also finished first on the team in +/- at 28, while his fellow defensemen Brent Seabrook and Duncan Keith finished 0 and -1, respectively.
Of course, most expectations are for Campbell to produce offensively thus filling the hole left by Wideman. This expectation comes after finishing four consecutive seasons with 40+ points (including a 62 point season in 07-08) scoring anywhere from 5 to 12 goals. Campbell's stats as a full time NHLer:
| Season | Team | GP | G | A | P | +/- | PIM |
| 02-03 | Sabres | 65 | 2 | 17 | 19 | -8 | 20 |
| 03-04 | Sabres | 53 | 3 | 8 | 11 | -8 | 12 |
| 05-06 | Sabres | 79 | 12 | 32 | 44 | -14 | 16 |
| 06-07 | Sabres | 82 | 6 | 42 | 48 | 28 | 35 |
| 07-08 | BUF/SJS | 83 | 8 | 54 | 62 | 27 | 47 |
| 08-09 | Blackhawks | 82 | 7 | 45 | 52 | 5 | 22 |
| 09-10 | Blackhawks | 68 | 7 | 31 | 38 | 18 | 18 |
| 10-11 | Blackhawks | 65 | 5 | 22 | 27 | 28 | 6 |
Granted, these numbers were put up while Campbell played for good teams, but that doesn't mean he can't play at that level again. In general, player's points will go down when moving to a worse team, and improve once moved to a better team, but that's not always the case. Just ask Olli Jokinen and Jay Bouwmeester what happened to their production after leaving Florida. The point is, Campbell's production did slow each year in Chicago, but anything can happen this year with a team unlike anything Florida fans have seen in recent years. Even if Campbell doesn't net 40 points next year, he is still an offensive catalyst, powerplay quarterback and stays out of the penalty box. Add to that Campbell's success in the postseason and you've got yourself a very good defenseman.
I'll say this: yes Campbell is grossly overpaid. Campbell's contract made Olesz's seem like nothing. But look at it this way: Dale Tallon had 100 bajillion dollars to spend this offseason, and at least he got every last bit of bang for his buck. It wasn't Tallon's choice to raise the cap floor to ridiculous amounts, and since the salary cap seems to keep on inflating every year, maybe $7.14 million/year will be reasonable when Campbell's contract is up. Right now, Campbell's contract is ridiculous, but only because it was viewed in the context of the cap-strapped Blackhawks organization. With a rebuilding team like Florida (who by the way is just $1.5 million over the cap floor) there really isn't much cause for alarm. Campbell is too good of a player to overlook because you want to pinch pennies. That's why the old Panthers failed. Maybe Campbell himself isn't worth $7.14 million, but the credibility and publicity he spread through the UFA's was. And at this point in the Panthers' rebuild, we'll take it.
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Contracts aside, the Panthers easily won the trade
You can’t make this statement without a single game ever being played. In three years, when Olesz’ contract is up, you can make this call. But if Campbell is a defensive liability, especially with the goaltending tandem the Panthers currently have, or the gates of Heaven open and God suddenly professes Olesz as his chosen one and he finds his game that was so seriously hyped before being leveled by Phanuef at the World Juniors (we’re talkin the impossible here), then the Cats will clearly have lost this trade.
No, it’s definitely a win at this very moment in time. Contracts aside, put these two players side by side and compare. Which one would you rather have?
Now as for the future, sure, no one knows. Injuries and other issues crop up and there’s nothing you can do.
I believe the context of that statement was meant for this very moment in time though. Unless Chris is a clairvoyant, in which case, could you hook me up with some Powerball numbers bud? :)
The ONLY thing that this can be based on presently are the contracts. Everything else is based on hopes and dreams. The only facts, as of this moment, are in the contracts, cause no one knows how Campbell with gel with this Panther unit, nor do they know how Olesz will gel with the Hawks. So its entirely based on contracts as of now, so its a lose. Case in point, the Bertuzzi trade. it looked great two games into that first season, then he got injured. If Campbell gets a career ending injury during the preseason or one of the first games, its only slightly a win, as his contract can come off the cap and the Panthers got rid of Olesz. But then you have to spend more money to get back to the cap floor. And at that point, when the season has already started, they’re going to be seriously overpaying newly signed players to get to the cap floor. Or trade for another god awful contract, possibly with a player possessing less ability.
by MrOmnipotent on Jul 22, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
The facts are the contracts and players’ past performance. The rest is opinion. You can disagree with that opinion, but it’s out of bounds to tell someone they can’t have one.
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by John Beatty on Jul 22, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not saying anyone can’t have an opinion. But the statement was presented as a fact, not an opinion. Hell, the more opinions, the merrier, as it is cause for more debate and banter.
by MrOmnipotent on Jul 22, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
If I’m not mistaken I think there was post about ‘debate and banter’ not too long ago..
by Rob PKane McMahon on Jul 22, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Any statement as to who “won” a trade is an opinion, whether or not someone explicitly states, “this is an opinion not a fact.”
"We don't need the designated goon. Those fights aren't even fun to watch." -Mike Milbury
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Not that....
I disagree with your assessment, Mr. O, because I agree, it’s too soon to make a statement like that…..But I would respectfully ask, gun to your head, if you HAD to call a “winner and loser” to the “Cap and Trade” trade between The Hawks and Cats RIGHT NOW, all things being considered, which team would you have to go with.
For the HERE AND NOW, I’d have to go with The Cats, especially considering the uncertainty of the upcoming collective bargaining.
Unless there is a “get out of jail free” period of buying out contracts again, the next CBA will only hurt the team in regards to Campbell’s contract.
by MrOmnipotent on Jul 22, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
You don’t know that. Have you seen the next CBA? Also, this is where I point out the irony of you telling Chris that he can’t state an opinion on a pre-season trade because the season hasn’t started in the same thread where you make a pronouncement on the effect of the next CBA on the same trade when the next CBA hasn’t been negotiated yet.
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by John Beatty on Jul 22, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
No, but its widely believed in the next CBA, that loopholes in the previous CBA will be closed and spending will be reigned in, as the cap is currently growing out of control for smaller market teams. Just like the other leagues, that are looking to gain control of the rising salaries and are currently locked out, which is fact. Unless you believe the majority of owners are gonna allow the free spending to continue as the cap out grows smaller markets, you have to know they are looking to reduce the salary cap.
by MrOmnipotent on Jul 22, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Contracts aside, put these two players side by side and compare. Which one would you rather have?
I’m with Campbell, for obvious reasons. Rusty may open up down the road but purely based on history I’ve got to side with Soup.
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by Donny Rivette on Jul 22, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Look...
I wish nothing but the best for Olesz, I really do, but it just seems like it’s just not his mind-set to play with an edge, like he would have to do to be even marginally successful in this mans league. Place that against the current track record of players that have left The Cats for greener pastures, and you have a grim outlook on the horizon for Rusty, for sure.
Just as an aside, who…of the top of your head…has had the best Post-Panrther career to date. And no, “he-who-shall-not-be-Grabnered” doesn’t count. Could it possibly be Stu Barnes? Considering what he did with The Pens and Stars?
you gotta look at the flip side, we got ray whitney for next to nothing..
by Rob PKane McMahon on Jul 22, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably Barnes. The only other ones that still have that potential are Luongo and Horton. Still too early to tell, but most of the guys who have left in the last few years have had worse numbers by far, if they even played in the NHL.
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by John Beatty on Jul 22, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Wouldn't that...
By default, then make it the single worst trade in Panther History? Considering the current consensus is probably the Luongo trade, and both of us agreeing Luongo and Horton being too early to tell, that only leaves The Barnes Debacle.
Barnes and Jason Wooley being traded for….Well I forget his name was the worse trade this organization EVER made. Yes worse than Luongo. We went from an upstart team with character to well just average to where we ended last season at the bottom of the Eastern Conference.
A lil thunder and a lil lightning is what the Cats are going to bring this year.
Shawn Matthias = Chris Wells version 2.0
Supposed talented centerman with size.
by MrOmnipotent on Jul 22, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I watched Wells play both in Florida and in the WHL. Matthias was way better in juniors, and is better in the NHL. Wells was a horrible draft pick by Pittsburgh back in the day.
I’m not comparing playing styles . I’m comparing hype and fan expectations.
by MrOmnipotent on Jul 22, 2011 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
“you can’t compare the two”.. because they played in two different NHLs and two different styles of teams and blah blah blah.
by Rob PKane McMahon on Jul 22, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
DAN BOYLE great career after mediocrity with the Cats.
A lil thunder and a lil lightning is what the Cats are going to bring this year.
Filip Kuba has had a solid career too.
The Ghost of David Nemirovsky
by panthersfan27 on Jul 23, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I understand...
Where Mr. O is coming from in terms of it being to soon to make a call. But, even if you take into account the players The Hawks have been able to re-sign, or UFA’s that were now in play beacuse of the greater flexibility afforded from moving Soupy’s contract, if you stricty go by what the players themselves will bring to the clubs they will currectly play for…and what you know about the players….The Cats improvement is greater FOR NOW.
You can’t make this statement without a single game ever being played.
What?!? Are you kidding? That’s what TSN’s trade deadline coverage is all about: trying to determine who won a trade 2 minutes after finding out the trade was made. Additionally, that’s the basis of much off-season coverage everywhere: trying to determine if moves made will make a team better or worse in the coming season.
No one knows if they’re right yet, but it’s never too early to have an opinion on it.
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by John Beatty on Jul 22, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
TIme will tell...
Being from Ottawa, I watched Soupy for many years. Yes, he is grossly overpaid, but at this point in time, what the Panthers need is offence, and he brings lots of that. This is a calculated gamble as bringing in Kopecky for that salary is, and no one will ever accuse Tallon of not having the balls to go for it big time here.
Here’s hoping that the defence and goaltending holds up. No one can really evaluate what Tallon has done before this new team plays and we see what we have.
IMO, this team will be one of the most interesting stories of the year. I for one, will be cheering for Soupy and the rest of them… and I hope the Black Hawks die without him. I also hope that Rusty continues on his never-to-be-reached potential, and continues sucking big time.
BAH! I can’t wish bad upon my hawks, or The PKane Show.. lmao..
I hope Soupy returns to his former play putting up 50-60 points.. I also however hope olesz can atleast stay healthy and net around 15g 30-40 pts.. guy i think just had too much pressure with the contract he signed and the constant crap he got, maybe he’ll actually improve his game now..
by Rob PKane McMahon on Jul 22, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Olesz never played the same after he got leveled in World Juniors. Its the main reason he dropped from being a top 3 pick, to where the Panthers got him.
by MrOmnipotent on Jul 22, 2011 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Dear Jesus,
Please allow for this summer to go by quickly so that some questions can be answered and so that we can stop speculating on contracts and potential CBA changes.
Your Friend,
Rocco…Ugh I mean Trinidaddy
A lil thunder and a lil lightning is what the Cats are going to bring this year.
I think being long-time Panthers fans has caused some of us to have a weird ‘negative defense mechanism’. Olesz did a lot more disappointing then anything while Campbell has been a very productive player in many assets of the game (scoring as a D-man, killing penalties AND the ever-coveted playoff production category, to name a few). Gripe about the contracts all you like, but the bottom line is that after a decade+ of mediocrity at best, this move does a lot more to enrich our future then it does to keep us clawing at the cellar walls. I love the move, I love the effort of the new regime, and to be honest, it bothers me that some Cats fans are trying to find ways to bring this down. With so little to get excited about for so many years, why not enjoy bringing in proven talent…at any cost? If the team is willing to take on the so called ‘bad contracts, I’d take 10 of them if it meant playing hockey in MAY and JUNE.
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by David Dwork on Jul 23, 2011 1:03 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
All I said was, its too soon to make a statement, as if its factual, in regards to someone winning the trade. Based solely on contract at this point, Panthers lose. Based on past numbers and potential, Panthers win. But potential is an unknown, as its something that hasn’t happened, YET. There are too many things that can happen that can change how a player plays in the future, or even ends a career.
Igor Larionov had great historical numbers before coming to Florida, but sucked as a Panther. That looked like a great signing during the season, but once the season came around, didn’t.
And again, there is the Bertuzzi example. He was two seasons/ three years removed from scoring 46 goals, had 60, then 70 points. He scored four points in his first game as a Cat and seven in seven games, so essentially a point per game. Then we discovered he had a herniated disk, and he was done as a Panther. What did he produce for the Panthers? Ended up being nothing. Those first three games, it looked like the Panthers would easily win that trade with Vancouver. But who took their team to a Stanley Cup final since then and who isn’t playing for the team he was traded to?
So again, all I am saying is, its too early to try and make a factual statement that someone won this trade. Everything looks in Florida’s favor, but no one knows what will happen. I’m not even arguing about the trade’s repercussions based on how it will affect the cap, as its been done and there’s no point in continuing it. I’m not even arguing if its a good trade or bad trade for the Panthers presently. I’m just saying, its too early to truly judge it and make a statement to be taken as a fact.
by MrOmnipotent on Jul 23, 2011 3:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Larionov was brought in at age 39 to center a line with Pavel Bure and give playoff experience (Panthers had made playoffs in previous season) but both ended up blowing up in our face, and Larionov was signed 1 year $1.8 million, not exactly a big risk. Take a look at the 99-00 roster and then the one in 00-01. BIG DIFFERENCE.
Bertuzzi was a risk before he ever came here with a crappy history after his cheap-shot incident in an attempt to mask the Panthers giving up the best goaltender (prospect and talent) this team had seen but refused to meet his meager demands (re-sign Jamie McLennen, etc) because Mike Keenan was an egotistical douche. In my opinion, when you have a top-5 goalie on your team willing to sign a long-term deal, you do whatever it takes to keep him around.
I can see what you are trying to say, and there is no reason to bring that negativity to the table. WE KNOW its a big contract, WE KNOW there is an unknown as to injury or whatever else may happen, but I’m sure 99% of Cats fans would happily take the risk of Campbell and his contract over Olesz and his.
My point is that there has been enough negativity with this team and the moves they have made, so there is no reason to bring down the most optimistic and excitement-filled offseason moves in the teams history. We’re all entitled to our opinion, and mine is that I don’t want to keep hearing why this move could potentially be bad. There are just as many reasons why it could be good, but that seems to be falling by the wayside.
I think its safe to say that Cats fans want to be HAPPY and EXCITED about the season. But hey…the song goes ‘every party has a pooper and thats why we invited you’.
LETS GO PANTHERS
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by David Dwork on Jul 23, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Sure the Hawks are happy they cleared the 7.1 but how do they expect to replace the 23 min of avg ice time and a +28 on the season. A top penalty killer and power play QB, the Hawks do not yet realize what they’ll be missing. Rusty is as soft as it gets. The primary reason why he will perenially be a bust. To me we got more than double the player in return so the money doesn’t present an issue.
I forget who said they’d rather have Bryan Allen over Eddie Jo at a discount. I was like, are you kidding me? Same idea here. We are comparing a real pro to one just pretending.
CFS93
by chesterbardo on Jul 23, 2011 1:12 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
A top penalty killer and power play QB, the Hawks do not yet realize what they’ll be missing.
This is why no one should focus solely on contracts, or they’ll be making the same mistake Chicago made.
by Chris S Roberts on Jul 23, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
A lot of knowledgeable Hawks fans will agree.
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