Facing Off: Can the Florida Panthers make the postseason in 2011-12?
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This week's topic: Can the Florida Panthers make the playoffs this season?
Our featured authors: Alex & Ryan
Here we sit, on the precipice of another NHL season, one in which the Panthers' faithful fans are abuzz in anticipation after an off-season of upheaval, change and hope. It's been a wild summer, and most fans can't wait to get the season going and see how the revamped roster gels and bonds throughout the opening of the year. Perhaps the biggest question in the back of everyone's mind, though, is: Can the Panthers make the playoffs this season?
Ryan Says:
I may be going against the popular opinion, but yes, the Panthers will make the playoffs this year. Crazy to think, isn't it? However, let's take a closer look at the team and I'll share with you why I think this is a postseason squad capable of making some noise in the East.
Scoring
Over the last several seasons, the Cats have lacked offense... and when I say lacked, I mean they are almost always in the cellar in terms of offensive production. We've all seen the 5-on-5 play, we've seen the horrendous man advantage, and countless other situations, and it's obvious that this team has struggled to score goals in almost any scenario. Why, you ask? Well, for one, this team lacked finishers, but let's not forget how the last two coaches (Jacques Martin and Peter DeBoer) both had systems that didn't really fit the personnel in the organization. Martin prefers a defensively solid game, and DeBoer prefers a high-energy forechecking game. Neither of these two styles really fit the Panthers players during their tenures, and to no fault of their own: An organization with as much turnover as the Panthers tends to mean that the new GM or coach won't have the tools they need to fit their style right off the bat. Hence several seasons of mediocrity before things turn a corner, and since no one stays around long enough to turn said corner.... well, you can see where I'm going with this.
What's changed? Quite a bit, and although GM Dale Tallon and assistant GM Mike Santos didn't bring in a 40-goal scorer, they did bring in a boatload of scoring depth. Last season's Panther lineup "boasted" three 20-goal scorers, and only two other players that cracked double digits in goal scoring. This year's roster? Eight players with at least 10 or more goals, and some (Shawn Matthias, Marcel Goc) that would have hit that mark had injuries not cut their season short. Panther mainstays like Stephen Weiss and David Booth now can focus on being playmakers as well as scorers, as they now have far more depth around them in terms of putting the puck in the net. It's reasonable to think the Panthers, who only scored 195 goals last season, should be able to add 25-30 more tallies next season and become a very competent offensive squad.
Defense
I don't have much to say about the defensive aspect of the team, as they were ranked around the middle of the pack defensively last season, and drastically improved on the blueline by acquiring Brian Campbell and Ed Jovanovski, and possibly keeping stud rookie Erik Gudbranson with the big club this year. This team is only going to get better this year defensively, especially once the players have had time to mesh and find solid defensive pairings. That being said, defensive performance also relies on solid...
Goaltending
I'm probably going to get plenty of feedback on this (read: rotten veggies thrown my way), but I'm going to say it anyway: Jose Theodore is going to be one of the top six goalies in the Eastern Conference this season, barring injury. He's got a very solid defensive lineup in front of him, a head coach that is preaching and teaching a puck possession system (meaning, in theory, the shot total against should be down from the astronomical levels of seasons before), and he's out to prove he's still a viable starter in the NHL. I can hear the collective groans from all who disagree, but let's give Theo a chance. We all know he's not Tomas Vokoun, but with a better lineup in front of him and more scoring support, he's going to have a chance to surpass Vokoun's win total from last season and help the Cats stay competitive night in and night out.
So there you have it. I didn't even mention new head coach Kevin Dineen, who I think will be mentioned for the Jack Adams award at least once in the next three years. For every question asked about the Panthers this season, there are just as many positive answers to reply with. This is no doubt a team on the rise, and they will rise quicker than most folks think.
Alright Alex, put down the cabbage you were going to throw at me for that Theodore comment. It's your turn.
Alex Says:
Good thing everyone threw their cabbage at you, and forgot all about me. Sorry folks; while this year's Panthers will be the best team since 2008-09, that doesn't mean this team is going to be as good as 2008-09.
The Southeast
The Panthers have finished last in the Southeast for two consecutive seasons, and this season might be no different. Well, except for the Panthers finishing in the bottom of the conference. On paper, the Panthers are projected to be fighting with the Winnipeg Jets for fourth place in the division. The resurrected Jets are young and have upside, and look better on paper than the Panthers. Of course the game isn't played on paper, but even if the Panthers play better than the Jets, they’re still not better than the Carolina Hurricanes, Tampa Bay Lightning, and the four time division champions, Washington Capitals. The Panthers got better; however, so did the division.
Backup goaltending
Say what you want about Tomas Vokoun; the man is an elite goaltender. Since coming to Florida in 2007-08, Vokoun has been one of the best goaltenders in the NHL. Replacing him will be Jose Theodore who, like Vokoun, is underrated. While I do like Theodore (I ordered a Theodore red jersey) he's no Vokoun, however a platoon of Theodore and Scott Clemmensen might be just as good. But Vokoun wasn’t the only solid goalie on the roster. Whether it’s Craig Anderson or Clemmensen, for as long as Vokoun has been in Florida, the Panthers had always had a solid backup behind him. Unless Theodore can play like his days in Montreal, the Panthers goaltending will be its weakest since 2006-07.
Defensive depth
Yeah, you read that right. Yes, Brian Campbell and Ed Jovanovski were good moves and Erik Gudbranson has huge upside. But Jovanovski is on the wrong side of 30 and played 50 games last season, Gudbranson is 19 and used to pushing around kids younger than him (not to mention how rookie defensemen usually don't play that well in their first season), Ellerby has a one way deal and if he starts the year in the AHL, will the team risk another possible Michael Grabner? Can Mike Weaver keep up the defense at 34 years of age? Let's not forget about the depth in San Antonio. Nolan Yonkman has played only 66 NHL games, averaging nine minutes over his short career, and hasn't done much with his ice time. Colby Robak and Keith Seabrook haven't played a single NHL game, and Tyson Strachan hasn't been able to improve since his impressive 30 game 2008-09 season. Is it improved? Yes, but there’s too many question marks for me to list it as a strength for Florida.
Like I said before, I see this team as a number ten seed in the East. Which isn’t bad considering that last few years.
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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and while I lean towards the Panthers making the playoffs (IF the goaltending holds up) I have to take issue with the statement that the Jets look better on paper than the Panthers? Really? The Thrashers were horrible the last half of the season and really did nothing this offseason but add fourth liners and minor league depth along with a busted up Eric Fehr. The Panthers added cup winners, a multitude of twenty goal scorers and one of the better offensive defensemen in the league as a quarterback for their power play to their roster. The Panthers will not catch up to Washington and Tampa Bay this season but I think they have surpassed Winnipeg and probably Carolina as well.
Why do the Jets need to add anything? They already have what you just listed: two Stanley Cup winning players (the three the Panthers added were from the same team), they have a multitude of twenty goal scorers, and one of best offensive defensemen in the league as a quarterback for the power play. The difference, they have a full year of chemistry working together while the Panthers don’t. As well as a number one goaltender in Ondrej Pavelec.
by Alexander Calloway on Sep 26, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m just not buying the jets hype. They didn’t do anything to prevent another mid-season collapse and are banking on Pavelec (yes, we’re doing the same with Theodore, but Thrashers had GA/G, PK% and SA/G all in the bottom 5 in the league)
I’m putting here for reflection later on in the season…. #14 Tomas [Fleischmann] is getting a 40G season.
by RPC on Sep 17, 2011 5:20 PM MDT
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by Chris S Roberts on Sep 26, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
And as long as we’re bashing the Jets, look at their depth chart! Ghost town.
One or two long term injuries for Winnipeg could be a major problem. A couple of injuries to the Panthers and theres plenty of guys to call up from SA that already have NHL experience.
I’m putting here for reflection later on in the season…. #14 Tomas [Fleischmann] is getting a 40G season.
by RPC on Sep 17, 2011 5:20 PM MDT
Find me on Twidduh And look at my Marmots
by Chris S Roberts on Sep 26, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
There isn’t anyone in St. John that can replace Dustin Byfuglien and Tobias Enstrom, the same way there’s no one in San Antonio Dmitry Kulikov and Stephen Weiss.
by Alexander Calloway on Sep 26, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree about Kulikov; he hasn’t done enough at the NHL level to be as valuable to his team as Buff or Enstrom.
Kulikov was Florida’s best skater last season. How many 20 year old defensemen can average 20 minutes a night and not look lost?
by Alexander Calloway on Sep 26, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
He started the season lost, and was benched accordingly, if my memory serves me. I don’t think he was their best skater, but he definitely played well as the season went on, and played some tough minutes as well. That said, I stand by my statement that he’s not as valuable to the Panthers as Byfuglien is to the Jets.
I agree. The Thrashers have done so ver….. oh sorry, the JETS have done so little in the offseason to address holes in their lineup and depth charts, and on top of that, they basically kicked Craig Ramsay in the teeth and told him to eff off. He was a large reason why that team was playing as well as they were during the first half of last season.
Too many unknowns with that team too. Pavelec has to prove he’s a #1 by being solid in net for more than just 1/3rd of a season. And I’m still not sold on Andrew Ladd being a 25+ goal scorer conistently. All that being said, they could very well be ahead of the Cats come December; they were last year and if they play well they could do it again.
You’re forgetting about Evander Kane and Alexander Burmistrov, both will be 20 years old next season will have plenty of ice time to improve.
by Alexander Calloway on Sep 26, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Craig Ramsay…. Why does that name sound familiar?
"We don't need the designated goon. Those fights aren't even fun to watch." -Mike Milbury
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Crooklyn, the Jets have nowhere near the forward depth the Panthers now have. The Jets are widely regarded even in the very biased Winnipeg loving (for right now) Canadian hockey press to have major issues with their top six guys. The Jets actually remind me of the Martin era Panthers right now. A couple of good players, a couple players with nice potential and then a whole lot of not much else. Until guys like Kane and Burmistrov actually start scoring in big numbers they are just potentially very good players much like many of the Panther high draft picks of the past.
by Todd Little on Sep 27, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Great writting by both guys. The Theodore thing was a bit of a reach by Ryan but I hope it does happen. I agree with Todd that the “Jets are better on paper,” was a real stretch by Alex as well.
I think we will have a fighting a chance of making the playoffs. Possibly a 7th or 8th seed. Not mentioned were Kulikov (whom looks like the stud we all imagined him to become this pre-season) and Santorelli. In my mind and opinion those two are the keys to getting us over the proverbial hump and into the playoffs.
A lil thunder and a lil lightning is what the Cats are going to bring this year.
I’ve said this before on a post here somewhere, but one of the most exciting things about this season is the unknown. I get the feeling one of these guys has just as much chance as the other to be right. I could see us pushing Tampa for 2nd in the division just as much as I could see us fighting with Winnipeg for 5th. Sure we brought in some goal scoring depth, but how long will it take for them to mesh as a team? Yea Theodore has a chip on his shoulder, but how much talent does he have left to back it up? There are just so many questions heading in that the ceiling and floor are farther apart than they’ve ever been. Hurry up, October!
still not sure why Theodore has been anointed the #1 goalie already by most everyone. If Clemmensen has the better camp he should get first crack at carrying the mail. It’s not like they are paying Theodore big money, he is actually making very little. I’m pretty sure Clemmer is the better paid guy out of the two of them.
Here’s the reason Todd..
Florida Panthers Goalie Scott Clemmensen Injured; Has Knee Surgery Monday
by Rob PKane McMahon on Sep 26, 2011 11:42 AM EDT reply actions
If the Panthers hit the ground running I’d make the assertion that they’re better than both Winnipeg and Carolina.
I’m putting here for reflection later on in the season…. #14 Tomas [Fleischmann] is getting a 40G season.
by RPC on Sep 17, 2011 5:20 PM MDT
Find me on Twidduh And look at my Marmots
by Chris S Roberts on Sep 26, 2011 1:08 PM EDT reply actions
Keaton Ellerby is not starting the season in the AHL. He may start the season in the press box, but they’re not going to put him on waivers. They’re only carrying 8 defensemen now, and that includes Gudbranson. I can’t imagine Kostka makes the team over Ellerby.
As for where the Panthers finish? Anywhere between 6 and 13 depending on how fast and well they gel, how good the goaltending ends up being, how the Isles’ season goes, how well the Hurricanes play, what happens in Philly, how the new coach (ahem) in New Jersey works out and, well, the Leafs and Rangers and Sabres. Too many changes in the conference to predict anything but the top spots until we’re well into the season.
"We don't need the designated goon. Those fights aren't even fun to watch." -Mike Milbury
Litter Box Cats - Your Panthers Colossus.
by John Beatty on Sep 26, 2011 2:57 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
My opinion is there is two factors to whether or not they make the playoffs
1.) Team chemistry. This has been said a number of times, and I don’t think I need to go over how crucial it is that they gel well early and get wins at the start.
2.) Carolina. Winnipeg is just the new Toronto – A 10th-15th ranked team that gets hyped up because of their location (or, in this case, their move). They made so little changes, they almost seem irrelevant. Carolina, though, is where it counts. If the Panthers can win against, and finish ahead of, Carolina, they’ll be either a playoff team or just so slightly under. Unless I’m mistaken, and I could be, Carolina is just ever so slightly worse this year, so maybe we’ll have a chance. And maybe this time we won’t go blowing third period 2 goal leads against them in every game.
The Florida Panthers have become Chicago's retirement home. This is oddly fitting.
Nicely said, BLC. FLA’s record against CAR could prove the difference if the Cats are generally competitive out of the gate.
And the Canes always find a way to squeak by.
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by Donny Rivette on Sep 27, 2011 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
agree on that too
gotta pass up Carolina this year. doing so should bump them into the top 8.
This Clemmer injury has me bummed today. A lot of pressure on Theodore now.
Donny, do you root for the ’Canes at all or did the love die when they left Hartford?

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