Friday Caterwaul & Poll: Panthers Open Forum
by Donny Rivette on Jan 27, 2012 10:29 AM EST
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Print"Sometimes you don’t really think how big of a loss he really is. He’s a great puck-moving defenseman who can get you the puck in a lot of good areas to get shots off or get speed coming up the ice. You see his stats this year — he has a lot of assists. He’s helping that team tremendously.’’
- High praise for Florida blueliner Brian Campbell from ex-teammate Patrick Kane via Adam Jahns/Sun-Times; the Hawks have yet to fill the void left by Soup's departure.
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Must be getting deep into the season, as Mirtle's Playoff Push makes a (welcome) return...THN's Proteau hosts a (long) interview with NHLPA honcho Don Fehr...at the other end, Bettman claims three potential suitors of the Coyotes exist - and all will keep the club in Glendale. You buying that?...a sick bunch in the room last night...more strange behavior out of Columbus management..."Clear Victory" standings at the break...Campbell riding Chara's shotgun? Make it so...NBC's JO'B looks at prospective final postseason spots in the East...sort of similar - with an eerily familiar opening paragraph - but focusing on the Caps via WaPo...strange days in AmerkLand...but of course soon-to-be UFA Bryan Allen is worth "either two No. 1 picks or an 'A' prospect and a No. 1 pick". How silly to think otherwise...join us tomorrow at 6:30 p.m. as we go all Open Thread on the Super Skills thing (NBC-SN, CBC).
Thursday’s Organizational Transactions:
- F Tim Kennedy to SJ for D Sean Sullivan (he'll wear #37 per the Rampage)
Thursday’s NHL Waiver Wire
Cleared:
- G Antero Niittymaki (SJ)
- F Cam Paddock (LA)
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Thoughts on “improving” the draft from MHH
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Coyotes
I think the NHL would be absolutely over the moon to have someone other than Quebecor’s Pierre Karl Peladeau buy the Coyotes. This would save Quebec City (and GTA) as future cash cow expansion sites for the league. If they can accomplish this I think the new owners of the Coyotes will have an out clause to move the team after a few years to somewhere else in the US. This will give Seattle time to get a rink built or maybe a quick move to KC would be in the cards if things in Glendale don’t turn around. If all three of these groups fall by the wayside than QC will be a safe landing pad for the ’Yotes.
Sean Sullivan
For those curious, he’s in the final season of a one-year, two-way deal at $525,000 (NHL) per CapGeek
Tim Kennedy will be an RFA after the season; currently on a $550,000 (NHL) deal.
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So you’re saying, this move saves the Panthers a slick $25K? Man, Dale is even trying to save some money to get us a new scoreboard!
EXACTLY my thought :)
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by Donny Rivette on Jan 27, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
Just showed a portion of the Jovo/Paille fight on FNC; wasn’t expecting that.
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Next Panthers LIVE! will feature Bergie, Sammy and Clemmer; hosted by Lindsay on Monday @ Duffy’s/Plantation
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That 2 first rounders for Brian Allen thing, that’s hilarious. Not even sure that Brian Burke is willing to do that. You can’t make a Hyundai into a Mercedes by changing changing the sticker price.
I was curious, so I present the Hyundai Equus
Starting at a modest $59,000.
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Genesis all the way!
Fish, Heatles, Cats, Fins, Noles
by National Mario on Jan 27, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
I burned up four of those, almost exclusively thanks to EA’s NHL series.
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by Donny Rivette on Jan 27, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
John Vanbiesbrouck
Fish, Heatles, Cats, Fins, Noles
by National Mario on Jan 27, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
It’s still not a Mercedes, which is why I’ve never seen one driving around town. Methinks if one has $60k to drop on a car, he goes for the real deal, rather than the plastic pretender.
Having spent some significant amount of time in Korea I feel I can speak from experience. Korea doesn’t export their best and brightest the way some countries do. Their domestic GDP is enough to support national companies, as such they can keep the really good goods at home. In fact, one of the most well appointed luxury cars in Korea is the Daewoo; the prestige model of which rivals the Maybach in both comfort and performance. The thing is you never get to see these cars in the US because, again, they don’t need to export them. Even if one were to but a “cheap” Korean car in the US one can be relatively sure said car will last beter than 70,000 miles. Same can be said for Toyota and Honda, both laughed at in the late 70’s. European cars should come with a mechanic since they’ve never learned how to balance Autobahn performance with daily driving needs. (eg., FIAT = Fix It Again Tony. Ferraris catch fire at a sustained 7K rpm.)
I’m not sure why I decided to defend the Hyundai just now…
What does this have to do with Hockey again, I forget?
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I’m not sure why I decided to defend the Hyundai just now…
Because they’re actually decent cars, and somewhat reasonably priced. Unlike our Audi, which is fiddly, but does it ever drive nice.
What does this have to do with Hockey again, I forget?
Nothing, but there’s a bunch of car nerds in here. :)
"Shut up, Pierre!" -Everyone
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by John Beatty on Jan 28, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
My friend owned a Daewoo. One of only two I’ve ever seen on the road.
I’m putting here for reflection later on in the season…. #14 Tomas [Fleischmann] is getting a 40G season. FLASH COUNT: 16G/19A
by RPC on Sep 17, 2011 5:20 PM MDT
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by Chris S Roberts on Jan 29, 2012 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
There was apparently a wonderful Sens fan who felt the need to shout out Wade Belak! when Lupul was told he had to draft a D-Man (15th round I believe).. Shows how classless they are and there’s talk that because of that many people want to remove the fans from the draft process, which the whole reason it was formed and done the past 2 seasons was to help the fans to have more fun with it. Wish the NHL would actually act, someone should have pointed out the fool who shouted it and they promptly revoke his ASG tickets which I’m sure he paid a nice price for.
by Rob PKane McMahon on Jan 27, 2012 1:03 PM EST reply actions
Just saw your link above Donny, must have missed it originally.
by Rob PKane McMahon on Jan 27, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
I didn’t watch it last night, but recorded it since my son is very interested in seeing it. Do I bother watching it with him?
Nothing bad really happened, it had entertaining moments.
That one moment you could barely make it out but you could obviously tell what was said. The crowd would be your typical Canadian city crowd.. Classless.
by Rob PKane McMahon on Jan 27, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
The crowd would be your typical Canadian city crowd
Why are you so quick to trash the entire nation over this…or any number of things lately?
Lots of valued, regular contributors on LBC are Canadians, many of whom go out of their way to support and cheer on South Florida’s – and your – hockey team. They don’t appreciate the stereotype, and frankly nor do I, as I’m of Canadian descent as well. So let it go.
Okay?
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by Donny Rivette on Jan 27, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
In rob’s defense, canadian hockey fans (especially vancouver and montreal fans) have this arrogant superiority complex, as if hockey belongs to canada only and doesn’t even belong in most american hockey cities. I would go as far as saying that canadians like me who don’t carry those thoughts are kind of a minority or maybe that’s just me interacting with far too many hab fans on a daily basis
A number of mainstream Canadian hockey writers certainly have an arrogant superiority complex about “their” game.
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by Donny Rivette on Jan 27, 2012 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
The winner that jumps up wearing a Sens jersey while waving yet another Sens jersey after Karlsson gets picked. Jumping around with his little ponytail flopping all over… That guy angered me.
by Rob PKane McMahon on Jan 27, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks to Alternate Captain Lupul we now know Campbell will be participating in the Fastest skater competition.
by Rob PKane McMahon on Jan 27, 2012 3:16 PM EST reply actions
There’s one round of fastest skater that’s goalie races and one that’s backwards, in addition to the three standard rounds. (Soupy is doing the backwards one.)
I believe entirely
That there would be a third buyer for the Coyotes. And hopeful for it, too. Having lived there in their early years, they were actually decently big for the first few years (before they sucked terribly with The Not So Great Coaching One behind the bench). Since then, unless something has changed over the time I’ve been gone, both roller and ice hockey is actually pretty big there. The team just haven’t given them a reason to think a.) they have a decent shot at really winning (still no 1st round wins) or b.) that they’re going to BE there for sure in a little while.
The Florida Panthers have become Chicago's retirement home. This is oddly fitting.
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hard to see the Phoenix market bouncing back. My feeling is if someone buys the team with the intention of staying in PHX they will only be required to keep it there a short time (3-5 years) and then be able to move it.
That was the deal in Hartford when Karmanos bought the Whalers; Connecticut demanded at least a four-year guarantee. Team stayed for three and paid (If I recall the number correctly) a $20M departure fee to the City and/or state.
Just remembered: there was another group bidding on the team who offered a seven-year commitment; state chose to go with Karmanos/Thewes/Rutherford’s lesser offer. Was a lot of back-patting going on.
I don’t want to see any fanbase lose its club, of course.
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by Donny Rivette on Jan 27, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
Pictures up at the official site (note GR and his way-cool phone skin in the last one)
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Trade
CGY’s Brendan Morrison to CHI for Brian Connelly (who?)
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Makes me wonder when Dale will start making moves. Say all you want about wanting to wait to see how the team looks with the forwards back in the lineup, but I don’t think it’s enough. We need second line talent, imo.
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Say all you want about wanting to wait to see how the team looks with the forwards back in the lineup, but I don’t think it’s enough
I’d guess most of us would agree with that. Hangover from a superstar-lacking ’96 squad affecting our outlook?
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by Donny Rivette on Jan 27, 2012 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
maybe its a pipe dream, but i feel like tallon is going to take a run at Zach Parise at the deadline. he would be a legit first line centre and weiss could move down to the second line and maybe help spark both bergy and upshall. i love stephen, but i feel he would be best utilized on the second line, and parise is tallon’s type of player
by stopdropandbreathe on Jan 28, 2012 6:34 AM EST up reply actions
Parise would be awesome! But Lou will command a ransome. What are you giving to get??
CFS93
by chesterbardo on Jan 28, 2012 7:31 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
deboar loves santorelli, so id suspect him, skille, a draft pick and someone from SA. NJ needs to dump the salary more than they need a return for Parise, especially because he is not goign to re-sign with them for sure.
by stopdropandbreathe on Jan 28, 2012 9:04 AM EST up reply actions
You’re talkin a top prospect or two, and at least one first round pick in addition to other high round picks. Only time quantity will equate to quality, is when a lot of top prospects and picks are involved, and Santorelli, Skille, and anyone in San Antonio aside from Markstrom and Robak, don’t qualify. Robak might not even qualify without someone like Howden plus numerous picks involved. For a player like Parise, you’re talkin Huberdeau, this year’s first round pick, a second this year or a first next year, and Robak. or Lou L might just ask for Markstrom to replace Broduer.
by MrOmnipotent on Jan 28, 2012 9:35 AM EST up reply actions
Dude, that is nada. Some people here (not singling out you in particular) have no idea what it takes to get top players from teams. From some of these proposals for Bobby Ryan to Zach Parise, its stunning what you guys think we would give up for a star like that.
Santorelli is worth virtually nothing. If he had been scoring this year too, then yes he would, but unfortunately he looks like a one year wonder. Skille is not going to fetch anything, he is a 3rd/4th line player. The draft pick would HAVE TO be a 1st rounder, and we dont have players in SA with much value anyways.
Parise would fetch AT LEAST
Ellerby + 1st round pick + Howden/Grimaldi/Shore/McFarland type of prospect
Thats just how much a sane GM would ask for a star player, and he would be right to do so.
Yep. And that’s why we shouldn’t go after a star player this year.
We may be desperate for scoring, but I don’t want to give up any more of our young guys than Ellerby (and right now, with the injuries, not even him) and maybe a pick because the forward prospects are integral to being a good club in the future, since it’s not like Howden, Shore, Grimaldi, Bjugstad, Trocheck, etc. are all going to turn into first liners. This is a surprise season, let’s enjoy it and stop thinking that Parise or Ryan is the difference between our current position and the big shiny.
Who says I’m thinking that? I’m thinking Zach Parise is a great player in his prime who would make the team better, not just now but for the next bunch of years. He’s 27 and should have at least another 5 to 7 good years left. On top of that, he’s the Devils’ captain and he’s the kind of character guy that Tallon likes to bring in to his teams.
There’s a difference between trading for a fading star who’s 34 and on the decline and getting one whose between 25 and 28 or so and still producing.
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by John Beatty on Jan 28, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, but does he resign with us for a salary/term combination that is tolerable? I don’t know that we’re really that team just yet and that much of a loss to risk him being a rental has to be unacceptable.
Quite often when a player in that situation is dealt, if the team isn’t looking at a championship push (e.g. Kaberle to the Bruins last year), it’s a sign&trade deal where the team that holds the player’s rights allows the other team to talk to the player about a contract before the trade is made.
Or the picks will be conditional. So, if he doesn’t sign, they get a fifth round instead of a second or whatever. There are ways to mitigate the risk.
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by John Beatty on Jan 28, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
Problem with acquiring a guy like Parise for a team like the Panthers is, it costs too much of the future pieces, for one singular piece. Panthers are a team that needs to build through the draft, augmenting the roster of draft picks with low cost trades and free agent signings. The price for a guy like Ryan or Parise, ends up making the team too one dimensional.
by MrOmnipotent on Jan 28, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
Problem is, right now we still lack that potential 40 goal scorer like Parise. We need to get ONE of those.
Just think of this: Weiss, Versteeg, Flash, Huberdeau, Parise our top 5. Sign one player via FA, still have Markstrom, Petrovic, Bjugstad, and other prospects
Out of those prospects, you have to plan for half, at best, to develop like you hope. Then you have to hope the guys on your NHL roster don’t get injured. This is where the depth in San Antonio comes in. Your trade above wouldn’t get Parise. You’d be lookin more for Gudbranson instead of Ellerby in that scenario.
by MrOmnipotent on Jan 28, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Personally, unless its a low cost rental, I think the Panthers should stand still with trades. They can ship guys like Sturm, Samuelsson, Clemmensen and those going to be UFA’s (not the RFA’s) for picks and prospects all they want. Trade away everything in San Antonio aside from Markstrom and Robak. But they need to stand still otherwise, keeping all their picks, and all their current top prospects. If they make the playoffs with the current roster, good for them, they deserve it. But no stupid moves that sacrifice the future of this club.
by MrOmnipotent on Jan 28, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
“But no stupid moves that sacrifice the future of this club.”
I completely agree, but I think Parise would help this team now AND in the future. Granted, we should not give up a Huberdeau/Markstrom to get him obviously.
Parise would be a great acquisition for the future, if he came at a price similar to Versteeg. But he won’t. He’s proven a hell of a lot more than Versteeg had before being acquired. Acquiring someone like Parise for the price Lamiorello would want, would do more hard than good for the Panthers’ future.
by MrOmnipotent on Jan 28, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
True, that. Santorelli might be a throw in on that type of trade, though. You’re probably talking good pick, good prospect, and then one or two roster players depending on their needs and what the other team is willing to give up.
For Parise, it would be worth it. The Panthers now have enough good prospects that it would be worth giving one up for a player of Parise’s calibre. (And quickly looking at the roster and their cap/roster situation, I would guess that means a low-priced defenseman and maybe a bottom six forward depending on whom they’re planning on re-signing.
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by John Beatty on Jan 28, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
People need to give Santorelli some time yet. There’s a reason there’s a cliche about having a sophomore slump. Yeah, he’s having a bad season, but there’s a lot of guys on this roster currently not performing up to their levels expected. Guys like Kopecky and Goc are at their career averages, or close to it, but more was expected from them. Same for Bergenheim, Upshall. And Samuelsson and Sturm haven’t produced. Yeah, a lot of injuries factor into it, but the majority of the roster hasn’t been on the ice together enough to form a good chemistry.
by MrOmnipotent on Jan 28, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
I get the sophomore slump thing, but teams will not value him at last years level, it would be at this years, but they would hope for a bounce-back year. The other team would hold the cards
I wasn’t talkin of his value in a trade. I was aiming more at fans in Florida lookin to dump the kid. I like him and want him to stick around. I just think he needs time yet.
by MrOmnipotent on Jan 28, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
SanAn and UMinnesotta both win (6-2 and 2-1 respectively) Repik and Matsumoto with a goal and assist each in SanAn and Bjugstad with the GWG for the Gophers
That Matsu is a legit beast.
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by Donny Rivette on Jan 27, 2012 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe Repik should give him pointers on how to translate it to the NHL.
Before this month, that would have been sarcastic. :P
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by BadLuckCharm on Jan 28, 2012 12:33 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The way he is playing makes me want to theory craft (hubs likes to play wing right?)
Hubs-Matsu-Bjugstad..one day…one day
Yeah, I don’t think Matsumoto is ever going to be on the big team for an extended period of time. He’s great to have in San Antonio if he continues performing the way he has been, but we’ve only really gotten a glimpse of him so far and he could go, as you say, Wilson on us. Wasn’t he in the ECHL earlier this season?
Yup, Wilson was sent to the ECHL after Rampage camp and didn’t get called up until they were on a losing streak and management made some changes to spark the team.
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by John Beatty on Jan 28, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, he has. And no, Matsumoto has not played in the ECHL. 3 seasons of college, 4 and a half seasons in the AHL, 13 games in the NHL last season (2G, 4PIM, -4).
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by John Beatty on Jan 28, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
Bettin that he’s being over rated currently would be about as sure a bet, as bettin on a politician will lie to you.
by MrOmnipotent on Jan 28, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
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