Does Strachan deal signify major move on horizon for Panthers blueline?
The Florida Panthers signed defenseman Tyson Strachan - recent scorer of his first NHL goal in 75 career games - to a one-year, one-way contract extension on Wednesday. He's the prototypical solid-if-unspectacular blueliner whose had some offensive success in the AHL since being drafted in the fifth round in '03 by Carolina. Several stints with St. Louis gave him the lion's share of his big league experience, making him an attractive enough option for the Panthers when they signed him to a one-year deal in June. The thinking was obviously geared toward the opportunity he'd receive with San Antonio, and he delivered: 12 points (3G) and a plus-5 in 32 games with the Rampage.
As injuries began to pile up on Florida's backend in recent weeks, Strachan was recalled on December 30, providing 3 points (1G) in eight games for the Cats with mostly limited minutes. Congrats and all to the guy on securing a somewhat surprising re-enlistment after a rather short audition. Why the "surprise" aspect? Because the Panthers have a pretty significant decision to make regarding their defensive corps heading into the final days before the trading deadline.
Forgetting injuries - and both are expected back soon - Florida has nine blueliners available: Brian Campbell, Keaton Ellerby, Jason Garrison, Erik Gudbranson, Ed Jovanovski (IR), Dmitry Kulikov (IR), Colby Robak, Strachan, and Mike Weaver.
Robak will be returned to San Antonio upon Jovo's arrival, and presumably Strachan follows when Kuli hits the roster. An Ellerby reassignment pares the list down to coach Dineen's Original Six of Campbell, Garrison, Gudbranson, Jovanovski, Kulikov, and Weaver.
Back to that "significant decision"...
Kulikov, 21, is already in his third pro season, with RFA status looming. See those numbers up there? Compare them to his stats from a year ago: 6-20-26. In 72 games. That's ridiculous improvement at such a young age. He can be streaky, but when his confidence is high he's a ball to watch.
Having a similar breakout season Garrison, 27, has smashed his previous highs in every category, due in large part to a rocket from the point, though clubs have countered his act effectively of late; he's collected 5 points (2G) in his past 15 contests before a foot(?) injury. A UFA in July, Florida's lowest-paid blueliner will be seeking a major raise.
Are both in the plans? Can they possibly be? Each is due a significant bump in pay, obviously, though Kuli will be cheaper in the short-term. Garrison is older and steadier, but is management ready to reward an admittedly killer single-season performance - which has slowed of late - with dollars and term which could become a tremendous stumbling block to contracts for a few of the organization's A-1 prospects down the road? Not to mention any UFA forwards they may wish to pursue...
Subtract one of these guys and Strachan has a legitimate role with the big club next year, depending upon what is done with soon-to-be RFA Ellerby. With a one-way deal, management is (very transparently) going to make the space to accommodate him. And Dineen doesn't dress seven defensemen.
The reality breaks down to this: do you sacrifice Kris Versteeg (himself an RFA deserving of a ginormous new deal) for Jason Garrison? Hint - Steeger's going nowhere, and quite probably neither is Kuli.
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I think there’s a buyout on his contract, don’t know how much it is.
by Alexander Calloway on Feb 15, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
Here it is again
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by Donny Rivette on Feb 15, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
$1,388,889 with $2,861,111 savings.
by Alexander Calloway on Feb 15, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t see Tallon doing it; made a commitment to a respected league veteran to join his former club – on the rise – and can’t believe he’d back out this early. Lack of class.
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by Donny Rivette on Feb 15, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Idk, Donny. That buyout is one hell of a deal. They’re giving up VERY little to buy him out. Btw, I think you should add a pole in here with who everyone would be more comfortable parting ways with, Kuli or Garry
They’re giving up good will if they buy him out, honestly, and that’s not how Tallon rolls. Part of the point of Jovo is PR and it’s been successful to at least some degree.
Donny’s right, he wont be bought out unless he retires or something. It would leave a bad taste in the air.
I’m putting here for reflection later on in the season…. #14 Tomas [Fleischmann] is getting a 40G season. FLASH COUNT: 18G/24A
by RPC on Sep 17, 2011 5:20 PM MDT
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by Chris S Roberts on Feb 15, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
I do agree with that. I feel like if it were any other 35+ year old kinda washed up vet, it wouldn’t be as much of an issue. But it’s Jovo we’re talking.
We’re kind of bound to him. Cant go dumping our grandpa
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by RPC on Sep 17, 2011 5:20 PM MDT
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by Chris S Roberts on Feb 15, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
i wasnt thrilled when we signed him, but do you all really want Jovo gone that badly?
by alterego6487 on Feb 15, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
I like the player, hate the contract
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by RPC on Sep 17, 2011 5:20 PM MDT
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by Chris S Roberts on Feb 15, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
I definitely don’t have quite the attachment to him that others here do, because I’m younger and don’t remember him really from his days as a Cat. That’s why I feel like I’m more of a fair judge in some sense, because I only look at his hockey from this season, and I personally believe he’s been a hindrance on the backend, and his lack of speed and mobility has led to multiple goals pinned directly to him.
however, did you notice the drop in quality of defense once he went down??
by alterego6487 on Feb 15, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
Ellerby had to shake off some rust, he hadnt played in weeks at that point. Kuli went down immediately after too.
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by RPC on Sep 17, 2011 5:20 PM MDT
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by Chris S Roberts on Feb 15, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
Poll in next few days :)
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by Donny Rivette on Feb 15, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
Yes but the Cap Hit will remain, since he’s on an over-35 contract.
Forget a buyout for that and a half-dozen other reasons.
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by Donny Rivette on Feb 15, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
my guess is
there is a trade cooking for Garrison, which sucks because I just got him to sign my hat =(
by Robert Wright on Feb 15, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I know that, but who knows if that will still be a part of the next CBA.
by Alexander Calloway on Feb 15, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
Can only go forward with what’s currently on the books.
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by Donny Rivette on Feb 15, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
good post – something definitely has to give. too many guys for roster spots but didn’t Dineen carried seven D for most of the season when everyone was healthy?
114 days until Prometheus
He wasn’t playing them all at once (except in really awful losses, pretty much) or playing Ellerby as much as Gudbranson, but Dineen’s definitely been carrying seven D.
Yes he’s carried 7 at times – everyone does – but he prefers not to.
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by Donny Rivette on Feb 15, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
He had to carry a minimum # of players when half the forwards were out due to injury
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by Donny Rivette on Feb 15, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
he’s had 7 d all season. Ellerby sat for much of the early season before the injury bug hit.
114 days until Prometheus
I’m referring to dressing 7 defensemen
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by Donny Rivette on Feb 15, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
oh, gotcha! thought you breaking down available roster spots going forward.
114 days until Prometheus
My bad; should have clarified…and will do so now above.
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by Donny Rivette on Feb 15, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
Not yet :)
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by Donny Rivette on Feb 15, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
I think Ellerby is getting a two way, that takes care of him. Robak is SA bound. If Garrison doesnt take a hometown discount, he’s on the block. Strak becomes our new PK guy, if he can handle it.
I’m putting here for reflection later on in the season…. #14 Tomas [Fleischmann] is getting a 40G season. FLASH COUNT: 18G/24A
by RPC on Sep 17, 2011 5:20 PM MDT
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by Chris S Roberts on Feb 15, 2012 2:07 PM EST reply actions
No way Ellerby takes a two-way. The team signed him to a one-way deal, and he’s a NHL player.
by Alexander Calloway on Feb 15, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
Thank you. I see nothing to suggest that Strachan is a better option than Ellerby, except offensively. I’d also note how much more PK time Ellerby has had compared to Strachan while Strachan’s been up.
I should have clarified: at the moment. I hope no one thinks Strachan is a better long term option than Ellerby, but there’s definitely an argument that he’s more productive right now.
As long as we have Campbell and Kuli/Garrison, we need to balance with good defensive guys without worrying about how much theyll score
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by RPC on Sep 17, 2011 5:20 PM MDT
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by Chris S Roberts on Feb 15, 2012 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, he’s got over 100 games under his belt now. He’s proven himself to be a capable NHLer. He’s not going to be happy with a two way.
114 days until Prometheus
Then he’s facing a trade. If he likes FLA he’ll bite the bullet.
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by RPC on Sep 17, 2011 5:20 PM MDT
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by Chris S Roberts on Feb 15, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
Either that or we keep a 7th D in case of injuries, which is fine by me.
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by RPC on Sep 17, 2011 5:20 PM MDT
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by Chris S Roberts on Feb 15, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
Then sacrifice a forward
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by Donny Rivette on Feb 15, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
Plenty of guys who can be jettisoned
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by RPC on Sep 17, 2011 5:20 PM MDT
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by Chris S Roberts on Feb 15, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
Beyond Santorelli, who?
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by Donny Rivette on Feb 15, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
Garrison’s trade value is at a all-time high.
by Alexander Calloway on Feb 15, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
Barch, Madden, Bradley, Sturm Sammy…
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by RPC on Sep 17, 2011 5:20 PM MDT
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by Chris S Roberts on Feb 15, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
They are all gone at year’s end
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by Donny Rivette on Feb 15, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
Exception may be Samuelsson/Bradley
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by Donny Rivette on Feb 15, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
So whats the problem then? Theres plenty of roster space if theyre gone.
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by RPC on Sep 17, 2011 5:20 PM MDT
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by Chris S Roberts on Feb 15, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
Those spots have to be filled
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by Donny Rivette on Feb 15, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
Flash Weiss Versteeg
Bergenhiem Goc Upshall
Kopecky Matthias Samuelsson
Huberdeau Santorelli Skille
maybe replace Sammy with Bradley if he doesnt resign.
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by RPC on Sep 17, 2011 5:20 PM MDT
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by Chris S Roberts on Feb 15, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
No way Huberdeau is on the 4th line and don’t think the team wants Howden (the most NHL ready prospect) in the AHL.
by Alexander Calloway on Feb 15, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
Disagree there. Although he is NHL ready, Tallon doesn’t give a damn about letting him get acquainted to the professional game with a year in the minors. Exhibit A: Jacob Markstrom.
Markstrom isn’t NHL, at least starting wise. Howden is, hence why it took the team so long to send him back.
by Alexander Calloway on Feb 15, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree. If it weren’t for Clemmonson having his contract go through this season, I think we would’ve seen Markstrom with the big club all season long with no questions asked.
It takes longer for a goalie to be conditioned. I wouldnt mind if Marky stayed in SA next year to.
How hard would it be for Howden to push out Barch/Bradley/Madden/Santorelli?
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by RPC on Sep 17, 2011 5:20 PM MDT
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by Chris S Roberts on Feb 15, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty easy for him to beat Barch, since Howden has skill, Madden won’t be playing for the Panthers, Bradley and Santorelli will be challenge (or a possible line).
by Alexander Calloway on Feb 15, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
What position is Howden playing? NHL.com has him as a center.
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by RPC on Sep 17, 2011 5:20 PM MDT
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by Chris S Roberts on Feb 15, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
Thats good, we could use more wing depth than center depth at the moment.
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by RPC on Sep 17, 2011 5:20 PM MDT
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by Chris S Roberts on Feb 15, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
The depth at LW is bad, even with McFarland.
by Alexander Calloway on Feb 15, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
Madden’s probably a one-season acquisition anyway. Huberdeau and Howden both probably have a good shot to make it, even if the Panthers keep Samuelsson.
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They kept Howden on for so long because he was injured and they have to keep injured players on the NHL roster until they’re cleared to play.
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But he wasn’t cleared to play when he was sent back to Moose Jaw.
by Alexander Calloway on Feb 15, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
Oops, there’s an exception for some recalled players. If they’re on recall and have less than 10 games/30 days on the roster they can be sent back to the minor leagues while injured. So they must have kept him until it was going to be 30 days and then they sent him back. But such players do get their full NHL salary until cleared to play.
There’s probably some provision in the CHL-NHL agreement as well, but I’d be surprised if it was much different than the above.
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Howden can’t go to AHL, right? The juniors thing…
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by Donny Rivette on Feb 15, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
Oh yeah…thanks!
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by Donny Rivette on Feb 15, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
(Huberdeau on the 4th to start out, of course he isnt a 4th liner, just putting him there for now)
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by RPC on Sep 17, 2011 5:20 PM MDT
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by Chris S Roberts on Feb 15, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
Anyone of significance has at least two years remaining
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by Donny Rivette on Feb 15, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
The Strachan signing comes completely out of left field. There is simply nothing out there that warrants this contract unless someone else is on the way out. I feel a team ot teams have reached out to Florida regarding one of our D men…and lets face it, I think we can all agree no one is beating down the door for Ellerby. Garry or Kuli will not be here two weeks from now. A lot of teams are looking for D help and if it can bring a legitimate top six forward or package deal for a stud, then I too would make a move. Still have petrovic in red deer coming up through the system as well. There is plenty of depth.
I think that if we’re talking trying to get something here, we might see Kuli or Garry traded at the deadline for a very serviceable forward (top 6 quality). It’s unfortunate but at least we know we have Robak and Petrovic coming up through the ranks. We might even see Garrison, Ellerby, a forward, and a prospect/pick traded for an impact player.
Kulikov is 10000x more valuable than Garrison.
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by RPC on Sep 17, 2011 5:20 PM MDT
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by Chris S Roberts on Feb 15, 2012 2:15 PM EST reply actions
Campbell is the reason why Garrison is having a good season and I think Tallon knows this.
by Alexander Calloway on Feb 15, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Yup
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by RPC on Sep 17, 2011 5:20 PM MDT
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by Chris S Roberts on Feb 15, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
I can almost guarantee that with this signing, Ellerby and one of Kuli or Garrison are on the way out. There just isn’t enough space, especially with Robak and Petrovic coming up through the ranks (and don’t forget about Mike Kosta).
Kostka got traded
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by RPC on Sep 17, 2011 5:20 PM MDT
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by Chris S Roberts on Feb 15, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
maybe in December? All I remember was we got Vernace in return, maybe Wright too
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by RPC on Sep 17, 2011 5:20 PM MDT
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by Chris S Roberts on Feb 15, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
Yep…to the Lightning
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by Donny Rivette on Feb 15, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
Wright has a chance to help the Panthers in a bug way.
by Alexander Calloway on Feb 15, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
What kind of Bug would that be?
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I was thinking more like Might Mouse.
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Speculations
You guys are killing me. I am so glad I am not a GM or the assistant, I could not stand to do THIS part of the work. I don’t want to part with any of the current D guys. I can’t disagree with Alex though, Garrison’s stellar season is in part to Soupy making it happen. Do you really think that his Agent would demand a ransom in pay or would he take a fair pay raise to stay?
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Forgot the source but someone dropped a number north of $4M a few weeks ago. Is it true? No idea, but it wouldn’t be surprising.
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by Donny Rivette on Feb 15, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
My only thought/hope is we might be able to get a short term deal for less, with a handshake that says “if you keep it up, we’ll give you more/longer.”
That means Kuli goes…it’s really one or the other, as now it’s a matter of space
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by Donny Rivette on Feb 15, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
if i have to pick Kuli or Garrison…. see ya Jason. Kulikov is the better player.
by alterego6487 on Feb 15, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
4 Million for how long 6 years?
Kuli is far more consistent in his #‘s. If we give Garrison those figures he’ll never produce the same numbers again. THAT is the curse all these players suffer, big paychecks = lazy playing.
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Kuli could fetch a huge trade, but I don’t see why the Panthers would trade him.
by Alexander Calloway on Feb 15, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
So what would our pairings look like next year?
Campbell-Kulikov
Weaver-Gudbranson
Jovo-Strachan
Garrison
Ellerby
Robak
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by RPC on Sep 17, 2011 5:20 PM MDT
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by Chris S Roberts on Feb 15, 2012 2:31 PM EST reply actions
Possibilities
1. Garrison’s asking for too much money and they’re maybe thinking deadline trade if they can’t sign him.
2. Other clubs are inquiring about Kulikov and they’ve been happy enough with the defense with him out to think about it.
3. They’re liking Strachan more than Ellerby right now and thinking they’re going to cut Ellerby loose and keep Strachan as the seventh defenseman next season.
4. They’re loading up on guys they like and making 9 or 10 defensemen compete for 7 spots next year. Whomever doesn’t make it gets waived and sent down. (The 10 being: Campbell, Garrison, Jovo, Weaver, Kulikov, Gudbranson, Ellerby, Strachan, Robak & Petrovic).
I’d be surprised if they trade Kulikov. He’s still young, and I think he and Petrovic may make a good pairing in a couple of years. And they’re not buying out Jovanovski. He’s here as a mentor to guys like Gudbranson as much as for what he does on the ice. Eventually he’s going to get fewer minutes and go to a bottom-six/power play guy like Chris Chelios late in his career, but he’s not going anywhere.
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by John Beatty on Feb 15, 2012 2:32 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
A voice of reason.
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John does know how to make an entrance.
by Alexander Calloway on Feb 15, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
Good stuff, Johnny. That about covers the issue.
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by Donny Rivette on Feb 15, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
See Donny, now the way John displayed it I didn’t panic, it seems far more calculated. But If Garrison wants Jovo money, I will help him pack his bags because that’s just NUTS!
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by Donny Rivette on Feb 15, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
ESPN is talking about how the Hawks are looking for a top-4 Dman and forward depth. Can anyone see a Garrison and Santorelli and maybe even Ellerby trade for a Patrick Sharp kind of player? Also considering Tallon’s relationship and history dealing with Chi-town.
No way.
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by RPC on Sep 17, 2011 5:20 PM MDT
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by Chris S Roberts on Feb 15, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
Whoa, Sharp makes $5,900,000 starting next season. And his contract ends in 2016-17.
by Alexander Calloway on Feb 15, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
All I’m saying is that is what we have and are able to give up, but they’d have to give us something of value in return that’s in the form of a top-6 forward.
Gonna take much more than an overachieving UFA and some garbage for a top 6 forward.
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by RPC on Sep 17, 2011 5:20 PM MDT
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by Chris S Roberts on Feb 15, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
I think Santorelli is a pretty serviceable bottom-6 forward, and although Garrison is having an uncharacteristically good season, he’s still been playing top-4 minutes for us the past few seasons. Throw in a nice prospect or nice pick in there, I think the deal is sweet enough for a top 6 guy.
I don’t see why the Panthers would make the deal. There’s no one on this team that can generate offense on a Toews or Kane level.
by Alexander Calloway on Feb 15, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
Remember, Santorelli is only a year removed from 20 goals. Personally, I think he’s been playing not 100% all season.
which is why its probably better to see if he can repeat that feat than sell him at the absolute lowest value imaginable
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by Chris S Roberts on Feb 15, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
But are we going to be able to see him repeat the feat? Odds are, no, not with this signing and Kuli needing a raise. I would definitely argue that Garrisons value has never been higher at the moment.
He’s not going to repeat it in Chicago. The only thing Santorelli has going for him is his defense, not his offense.
by Alexander Calloway on Feb 15, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
Bowman has just as bad contract skills as Tallon, methinks
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by RPC on Sep 17, 2011 5:20 PM MDT
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by Chris S Roberts on Feb 15, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
No one has said it yet...
Unlikely but really Rick Nash?
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Oh people have been talking about it, youre just a bit late.
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by RPC on Sep 17, 2011 5:20 PM MDT
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by Chris S Roberts on Feb 15, 2012 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
one of two things...
my guess is either garrison is asking too much just because he’s scoring some goals, if he’s asking for more than what he’s worth perhaps theyll trade him. but i think this may signal an ellerby trade, and then strachan would take the role as the 7th dman for next season. if we make a deadline trade i think it would either be ellerby and/or santorelli involved considering that garrison and jovo should be back just before the deadline (and kulikov is already off his crutches and hopefully will get back to skating sometime this week).
To be honest, I’m not sure what to think here. Unlike many of you, I really like ellerby and would NOT trade him under any circumstances. Why trade a young and already very good D-man? No, thanks.
I’m not sure what to think of this. Strachan has been good, but nothing that I like better than Ellerby.
Campbell, Gudbranson, Ellerby and Kulikov are my personal untouchables in D. The rest can be moved, even though Garrison and Weaver would hurt.
I think the world of Ellerby and hope something can be worked out, just not fair shuffling him into the press box every nine out of ten games because everyone is healthy. He’s a terrific seventh in this group.
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by Donny Rivette on Feb 15, 2012 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
i like ellerby too but theres no way he’s an untouchable, the only ones who are would be campbell, kulikov, and gudbranson, those are the core guys that we will build our D around for a long time (unless of course we got some superstar forward that you just couldnt say no to, but for the most part we wont shop any of those guys and will take a lotttt to move any of them). i would like to resign garrison, but to something reasonable. jovo is pretty much stuck here considering his contract and age, but i would trade him if i could (makes too much and is under contract for too long). and weaver is great, love the guy, veryyy important to our D at the moment and under contract for the next 2 seasons at just 1.1per? thats incredible and would have no interest moving him, especially no team will give us whats he’s worth, hes very underrated.
in other words, campbell, kulikov, and gudbranson are the untouchables. i would like to resign garrison if he’s not asking for something too much (if hes asking for over 4 id trade him, we already have a lot invested in campbell, jovo is making a good amount, guds from his bonuses, kulikov will get a good contract, we can only pay so much for him.) . keep weaver, no reason to get rid of him, cheap, great player, and will never get the return we deserve for him. but i would move jovo if i could, but he’s stuck here most likely.
Now we need to trade Garrison while his stock is still high. I actually like Strachan more than Garrison given the money that Garrison is going to demand. Garrison is just too one dimensional. What else does he do well other than shoot? We should be able to get a decent forward for him given what little attention other GMs pay to the Cats. Calgary was pretty gullible last time…
He does that one thing… play incredibly good shutdown defense. And also is the highest goal-scoring Dman in the ’chel right now.
by lipsonjeff on Feb 15, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
As Jeff mentioned, he is a great shutdown guy.
Losing Weaver’s PK partner will hurt more than his 12 goals.
I’m putting here for reflection later on in the season…. #14 Tomas [Fleischmann] is getting a 40G season. FLASH COUNT: 18G/24A
by RPC on Sep 17, 2011 5:20 PM MDT
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by Chris S Roberts on Feb 15, 2012 5:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
As most here agree…. Someone is going to be gone.
There is a very, very slight chance that it is Kulikov. That leaves: Campbell, Kulikov, Gudbranson, Weaver, Jovo, Garrison, Ellerby and Strachan.
I am pretty confident that Garrison, and only Garrison, WILL BE MOVED AT THE DEADLINE. He should be healthy in a week, with a game or two before the deadline.
Someone above mentioned the Hawks…. I think that is a very strong possibility. It is well known that they are looking for a top 6 D man, and we all know the relationship between FLA and CHI. The theory was ruined when Sharp was mentioned though.
A realistic trade would be involving Stalberg and Garrison.
That was me who proposed that stuff. But do you think we’re really getting fair return with Stalberg? You don’t think it should be someone more proven? He’s a winger who will maybe put up 45 points this year – on a really good team. I think it’s a question of would he continue producing .5 ppg here in FLA? He’s not that young anymore, right around where Garrison’s age is, so I don’t see his ceiling being much higher than that.
Garrison’s gonna be a UFA, so the return is never going to be anything remotely resembling “market value”
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by Donny Rivette on Feb 15, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
For his abilities, I mean
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by Donny Rivette on Feb 15, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed, but I think he’d be willing to sign in a place like CHI if they give him what he’s worth. I would do the deal if it involved 2 of these 3 players: Andrew Shaw, Victor Stalberg, and Dave Bolland. We would give up Garrison and a combination of bottom six forwards/prospects/picks. That way we’re trading 2 roster players for 2 roster players and adding in some other assets for them as well to sweeten the deal.
When we first heard about signing Strachan, what did we all jump to? Either Kuli or Garry is headed elsewhere. What do you think other GMs are thinking, knowing we had a glut of defensemen before signing Strachan. We hold the low hand.
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by RPC on Sep 17, 2011 5:20 PM MDT
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by Chris S Roberts on Feb 15, 2012 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
It was a depth signing, nothing more. Did anyone actually freak at the time?
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by Donny Rivette on Feb 15, 2012 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
Not when we first signed him, when he was extended today.
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by RPC on Sep 17, 2011 5:20 PM MDT
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by Chris S Roberts on Feb 15, 2012 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
Oh yeah, that
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by Donny Rivette on Feb 15, 2012 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
Stalberg for Garrison+mid round pick would probably work.
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by RPC on Sep 17, 2011 5:20 PM MDT
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by Chris S Roberts on Feb 15, 2012 5:35 PM EST up reply actions

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