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The common denominator to the Panthers' consecutive regulation losses this week and much of the season does not lie in shaky goaltending or pesky injuries, it's a lack of offensive production during any given time. Besides a few blowout scores scattered across the season, the Panthers usually score two goals a game and perhaps an empty netter; when the offense shows up the team usually wins or at least forces overtime, when the offense drifts away so does the chance to win.

Relying on surprising (but not exactly spectacular) goaltending from Jose Theodore and Scott Clemmensen, Florida wins games by the slightest of margins, often regardless of the difficulty of the opponent. As the one goal losses piled up last season, so have one goal wins this season. It's certainly an improvement, but it doesn't make for a dominant team play that goes on winning streaks or opens up wide point cushions within the division. As the deadline approaches, the obvious need is scoring; scoring to get the first goal, scoring to build leads and scoring to close out games. Anything else is just side-tracking the problem.

Star-divide

Of course, just making a trade for a top 6 forward is not as straightforward as it may seem. Other than a few elite teams, every general manager faces the eternal search to fill his top lines with top 6 players, and there is only a finite number of those players across the league, and once a GM has one, it will take quite a bit to budge said player. For the Panthers, I'd contend there are four(when healthy) players of this caliber; Stephen Weiss, Kris Versteeg and Tomas Fleischmann are the obvious choices, but also Scottie Upshall. After that, the lower lines consist of guys who show flashes of brilliance but are two inconsistent to fight their way on to the top lines. Marcel Goc, Mikael Samuelsson, Shawn Matthias and Sean Bergenheim all have their specialties, but they just wouldn't qualify as top 6 guys on a more offensively gifted team. So the choices are simple, wait for prospects to live up to potential or trade/sign players who will make an immediate impact in the coming seasons.

Dale Tallon has shown he isn't afraid to take chances to bring in top 6 players. Tallon traded for leading scorer Versteeg and made a risky signing that's paying off nicely in Fleischmann. We haven't seen much of Upshall, but he still can be a game changer when playing. So what's to keep Tallon from making the same kind of splash as the Panthers knock on the playoff window? The trade deadline, pure and simple. Only during the trade deadline is Nicklas Grossman worth a 2nd and 3rd round pick or Hal Gill worth a 2nd rounder and roster player. Some GM's will sell for cheap, others will dangle Bryan Allen for a 1st round pick. It's a crazy time during the season, especially when the same players would go for much cheaper, or nothing, just after the playoffs come to a close.

So Tallon has made it clear he wants scoring, but in what form? A star like would be great, but it would cost far too much. A second liner is exactly what the Panthers need, but the choices are limited within the market. Adding in a specialist type player with scoring ability would help the special teams, but availability again is a concern. Leadership is always a plus. There are a few guys being thrown around in rumors that could in theory cure our ailments, but could also bust harder than Angelo Esposito.

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Rick Nash: Oh how wonderful it would be to have Rick Nash in the lineup, he is an instant upgrade over anyone on the roster. Few of us can deny wanting to trade away the world for Rick Nash, but I happen to be one of them, and I imagine Dale Tallon is too. The problem here is that in order to move Rick Nash, Blue Jackets GM Scott Howson would want a return so steep for his franchise player it's inconceivable to think any smart GM would bite. I've said it before and I'll probably keep saying it until 3pm on the 27th; Nash isn't moving.

Jeff Carter: Again, Howson would need something shiny in return for this guy, and Carter may become a burden in the future. The Panthers have plenty of space to take in his anchor of a contract, but not the will to do so, especially considering his less than perfect character Tallon has come to require. Just let this one pass.

Ales Hemsky: I've never understood the buzz surrounding this guy, and what I have pieced together doesn't paint a pretty picture. He's 28 years old, has only approached 20 goals three times, hasn't played a full season in six years and has only played in about 100 games over the last three seasons. I won't take away the fact he is almost a point per game player and has buckets of skill, but his risks outweigh the benefits even if Oilers GM Steve Tambellini sells him low. This guy is the forward version of Rick DiPietro.

Paul Stastny: I've watched Paul Stastny for years now, and while I must admit I'm not a big fan, he has hit 70 points three times. I disregard him because he often seems so invisible on the ice and never really forms chemistry with the multiple guys the Avalanche have thrown with him. Stastny is more of a passer than a scorer, and while he shows flashes of brilliance now and again my fondest memories are usually of him missing an open net. Stastny is a great faceoff man and utilizes his 26 year old speed, but his contract is a bit steep though short after this season. I'd like to think the change of scenery would do Stastny good in Florida, but for whatever reason GM Greg Sherman has this guy as an untouchable. This is a trade I just don't want to make, at least right now.

David Jones: Of all the players I've heard in rumors, the one I'd most like to see with the Panthers is David Jones. While Sherman clutches Stastny like a kidney, he leaves Jones to fend for himself out in the cold. What I've seen out of David Jones reminds me quite a bit of David Booth during his pre-concussion days; but like Booth, Jones also has had injury problems before. Jones would make a tremendous second line player and bring an extra sniper to the powerplay units, and the best part of all is that Sherman has just about given up on resigning him, meaning he might come relatively cheap. Like 3rd rounder cheap. Jones has rebounded of late after being thrown in the proverbial doghouse, but I still think he's on the market.

Tuomo Ruutu: With the Hurricanes about calling it quits on the season, Tuomo Ruutu was one of the first guys mentioned in rumors. A soon to be UFA, Ruutu may be worth a look to help secondary scoring but could be overvalued by Canes GM Jim Rutherford. Tallon may kick the tires, but I'd bet someone else is driving home with him. Note: After sustaining an upper body injury in a game vs the Canadiens, Ruutu has been taken off the market.

Mikhail Grabovski: He'd help the offense with his speed and skill, but this one strikes me a just a rumor. The Maple Leafs aren't selling him unless they get something big in return.

Derek Roy: Another oft injured centerman who's drawn the ire of the media. He has one year left on his contract and the Sabres seems to have had enough of him, but his numbers do speak to his offensive abilities. Roy is a wildcard, who knows what Buffalo GM Darcy Regier will move him for.

Marek Zidlicky: No.

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Those are the big names floating around, infiltrating people's dreams and brewing excitement, but in the end Dale Tallon may not be interested in any of these guys or even anyone of this caliber. Rome wasn't built overnight, and neither with the Cup Champion Florida Panthers. Florida may be closer to the playoffs than they've ever been in the last decade, but that doesn't mean Tallon is willing to even trade low round picks or prospects for a rental. Chances are Tallon will make moves to improve the team, but they won't be the big blockbuster moves some fans are demanding. Chances are just as good Tallon will site tight and do nothing. While the Panthers have overachieved in the face of adversity, the point to remember is it's not about this season, so it's not worth getting emotionally attached to it, no matter what the Panthers are doing come April.

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He suffered an upper body injury on Monday and will be out for three weeks. Rutherford said that he’s not trading him.

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by MyFriendCorey on Feb 18, 2012 6:20 PM EST reply actions  

Oh really? I knew he had been injured but expected him to be back sooner. I’ll make a note

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by Chris S Roberts on Feb 18, 2012 6:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, that pretty much ended all trade rumors involving him. Rutherford says that his priority is to re-sign him so I think he’ll be back in Carolina next year assuming he doesn’t want too much money.

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by MyFriendCorey on Feb 18, 2012 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

David Jones is interesting to me as is Derek Roy. If the Panthers aren’t going to give up enough to bring in scoring I wouldn’t mind them bringing in a big guy who can skate, hit and screen. Team has looked a little slow and soft in some of these recent losses.

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by Todd Little on Feb 18, 2012 6:34 PM EST reply actions  

Another thing is Jones and Flash were playing on the lights-out line with Duchene in CO, so theyve shown some chemistry together.

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by RPC on Sep 17, 2011 5:20 PM MDT
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by Chris S Roberts on Feb 18, 2012 7:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I say the Panthers should target Jones. Good size and his numbers seem to bear out that he’d be good for 20 goals if playing a full season. Wonder what it would take to get him.

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by Todd Little on Feb 18, 2012 7:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Don’t know if this changes anything but I read an article about Bjugstad the other day that stated there’s a chance and possible rumors that he could leave college after this season to sign with Florida.

When his parents and him were asked about it they both said nothing was definite but the possibility wouldn’t be ruled out either. He also said if he happens to stay where he is for next season or even the one after it he’d be honored to continue playing for the team yadda yadda, so maybe filling a center position if this holds any water may not happen.

Plus there’s always Huber who can play center or wing which could once again lead us to grabbing another center to play along with him, someone with experience to help him such as Stastny (yes I know he’s young but he has experience and may excell taking a ‘leadership’ role.)

by Rob PKane McMahon on Feb 18, 2012 7:00 PM EST reply actions  

1st, 3rd and Goc for Stastny.

I’m putting here for reflection later on in the season…. #14 Tomas [Fleischmann] is getting a 40G season. FLASH COUNT: 18G/24A
by RPC on Sep 17, 2011 5:20 PM MDT
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by Chris S Roberts on Feb 18, 2012 7:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Make it a 4th and I’d probably bite, Goc has been good but it’s really only flashes nothing consistant. Yeah I know he had an injury at one point but still, it’s an upgrade on offense so it’d be a 1st, no idea who we’d get or if he ends up becoming another ‘esposito’. and a 4th is what I’d give them since we already gave up one of our 3rds for steeger (wasn’t ours but it was still a 3rd)

by Rob PKane McMahon on Feb 18, 2012 7:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Seems a little high but I’d probably do it. Stastny may need a change of scenery to get back where he was a couple years ago.

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by Todd Little on Feb 18, 2012 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Goc has been nothing but consistant since returning from injury.

Honestly, Stastny is like Nash/Carter, the GM might play it on but really isn’t willing to make a move.

I’m putting here for reflection later on in the season…. #14 Tomas [Fleischmann] is getting a 40G season. FLASH COUNT: 18G/24A
by RPC on Sep 17, 2011 5:20 PM MDT
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by Chris S Roberts on Feb 18, 2012 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I was going to say that about Goc! putting up some good numbers since he returned.

I don’t see why the Avs would move Stastny unless they fleeced someone.

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by Todd Little on Feb 18, 2012 7:17 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah he’s been good afterwards but the overall stretch of the season is what i was referring to. to an extent one could even argue our top line hasnt been consistant with the long stretch they had without scoring.

the plus side is Sherman is an idiot so may give him up cheaper

by Rob PKane McMahon on Feb 18, 2012 7:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Sherman is an idiot, but an idiot on his way out after the Varlamov trade. Like Todd said, he’d have to absolutely fleece someone or he’s getting canned.

I’m putting here for reflection later on in the season…. #14 Tomas [Fleischmann] is getting a 40G season. FLASH COUNT: 18G/24A
by RPC on Sep 17, 2011 5:20 PM MDT
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by Chris S Roberts on Feb 18, 2012 7:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Once an idiot always an idiot.

Just look at Eklund, or Don Cherry, or Mike Milbury

by Rob PKane McMahon on Feb 18, 2012 7:33 PM EST up reply actions  

The owner isnt an idiot though. Or is he?

I’m putting here for reflection later on in the season…. #14 Tomas [Fleischmann] is getting a 40G season. FLASH COUNT: 18G/24A
by RPC on Sep 17, 2011 5:20 PM MDT
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by Chris S Roberts on Feb 18, 2012 7:36 PM EST up reply actions  

kept him around after that trade with st louis last year.. then again after varly.. hmm

by Rob PKane McMahon on Feb 18, 2012 7:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Owner signed off on it beforehand. Guaranteed.

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by Donny Rivette on Feb 18, 2012 7:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Not sure if this was before the season started, but the old owner handed off the Avs to his son, whos like late 20 something.

I’m putting here for reflection later on in the season…. #14 Tomas [Fleischmann] is getting a 40G season. FLASH COUNT: 18G/24A
by RPC on Sep 17, 2011 5:20 PM MDT
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by Chris S Roberts on Feb 18, 2012 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

That always works. Good times ahead in Denvah.

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by Donny Rivette on Feb 18, 2012 8:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

am I the only who thinks that one of the winger on the first line needs to be shuffled out?

back to the trade talk:

Imagine if we got Jones and could roll out something like Weiss – Steeger – Sammy then Goc – Jones – Flash?

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by Todd Little on Feb 18, 2012 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

find someone to take Flashs spot on the first line (Upshall?) and that would be sweet.

I’m putting here for reflection later on in the season…. #14 Tomas [Fleischmann] is getting a 40G season. FLASH COUNT: 18G/24A
by RPC on Sep 17, 2011 5:20 PM MDT
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by Chris S Roberts on Feb 18, 2012 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m mainly talking for the stretch run. Don’t see Upshall as a factor for this season. Maybe next year. Even without a trade or Scottie I think that line needs to be broken up. Leave them together on the PP but someone with size might open things up for the remaining two guys.

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by Todd Little on Feb 18, 2012 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, in that case absolutely.

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by RPC on Sep 17, 2011 5:20 PM MDT
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by Chris S Roberts on Feb 18, 2012 7:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Flash stat is 19/25… Please bring up to date before you move him off top line. After today he will have 20G.

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by RPC on Feb 19, 2012 8:50 AM EST up reply actions  

not a knock against Flash just might be better to spread the offense out.

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by Todd Little on Feb 19, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

alright alright

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by RPC on Sep 17, 2011 5:20 PM MDT
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by Chris S Roberts on Feb 19, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d rather see
Flash – Weiss – Jones
Kopecky – Matthias – Versteeg

by Rob PKane McMahon on Feb 18, 2012 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

that could work too. I was just trying to decide who worked better with Weiss, Flash or Steeger and I was thinking Flash. I like your idea better than mine. that way Sammy Goc and Bergy could stay together.

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by Todd Little on Feb 18, 2012 7:32 PM EST up reply actions  

This way steeger also has kopecky in front of the net creating havoc like he’s done in the past matthias has some good hands and can potentially get the puck to steeger or pull some guys away from him to open him up. Flash is more of a shooter than wise but hes not exactly a sniper, so jones could work with them

by Rob PKane McMahon on Feb 18, 2012 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

To be completely honest with you, I think the weak link in the first line is Weiss. He’s not exactly a true first line center but better than a 2nd line center, so he’d out-compete his matchups. If Huberdeau or a FA takes his spot next year, we’d be a more dangerous team.

Flash-xxxxxx-Versteeg
Upshall/Jones-Weiss-Jones/Upshall
Bergenheim-Goc-Samuelsson
Kopecky-Matthias-Skille/Bradley

Just speculation of course. I really dont hate Weiss…

I’m putting here for reflection later on in the season…. #14 Tomas [Fleischmann] is getting a 40G season. FLASH COUNT: 18G/24A
by RPC on Sep 17, 2011 5:20 PM MDT
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by Chris S Roberts on Feb 18, 2012 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

weiss = j.staal basically.

by Rob PKane McMahon on Feb 18, 2012 7:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Great comparison.

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by Donny Rivette on Feb 18, 2012 7:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Yes, but Weiss- loyal panther. Unlike cough, Horton. Ironically, we could use Horton size and scoring ability right now.

by Hawkseye on Feb 18, 2012 8:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

So could the Bruins.

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by John Beatty on Feb 19, 2012 9:21 AM EST up reply actions  

again, I’m talking stretch run when bantering about line combos but I agree 100% about Weiss not a first liner. Biggest hole on the team going forward into the future.

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by Todd Little on Feb 18, 2012 7:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I see Hubs on the wing (at least at first) reminds me of Patrick Kane and would provide similar danger from the side especially with a center who can shoot. Personally I think the Panthers are going to have to go outside the org. to get a first line center. Keep Weiss for another year and let Bjugs grow into the second line job or maybe Hubs can do it (#1 center) when he gets stronger and a year under his belt.

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by Todd Little on Feb 18, 2012 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I think a first line center is going to be Tallon’s Marion Hossa for this team. That big name guy he goes out for right before a championship run. I don’t think he’s going to be able to get one until the organization is that close because ownership won’t want to spend the money until then. Unless Bjugstad ends up first line material, but the team can’t count on that.

Huberdeau is listed as a center, but plays left wing for Saint John. Similarly, Horton was listed as a center for years because he played there like his first year in junior, but played wing for years and didn’t really work out at center when the Panthers put him there. While they may move him back and it may work, it’s far too early to be penciling him in as the first line center not only next year, but any year.

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by John Beatty on Feb 19, 2012 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Not big enough on first line. Upshall and Skille will be on 1 and 2 line next season to keep Versteg and Huby from getting beat up. Or it might be another player like Matty. If Dineen could, he would split up the top line.

by Hawkseye on Feb 18, 2012 8:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I still think we need one more free agent signing up front in the off season. either a true #1 center or a big scoring winger or hell, maybe both. Still too many games where the other team has better top end talent. Caps down 1-0 in the third Ovi and Semin score and they take the two points, the Panthers need a little of that.

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by Todd Little on Feb 18, 2012 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

  1. centers aren’t exactly easy to find. Plus we have huberdeau coming up next season

by eliran2 on Feb 18, 2012 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Hubs is more likely to start off (and maybe stay) as a winger imo and if he does play center expecting him to be the #1 center his first year might be asking too much. Weiss despite the upgrade in linemates is still a #2 center, this isn’t ever going to change. Panthers need an upgrade at center so they can bump everyone down one line where they belong. Getting a #1 center and adding Huberdeau on the wing would really solidify their top six.

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by Todd Little on Feb 18, 2012 11:39 PM EST up reply actions  

he also has another year on his current contract which makes him more valuable in a trade than someone like hemsky who will be an UFA on july 1

by Rob PKane McMahon on Feb 18, 2012 7:21 PM EST up reply actions  

No way. Goc is too good defensively.

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by John Beatty on Feb 19, 2012 9:20 AM EST up reply actions  

I think that’s a strong possibility on Bugs. He’s proven he’s elite at the NCAA level no real need to go back unless he wants to win a title or likes the college experience.

After watching Hubs and Saint John this afternoon I kinda wish the Panthers would have taken Tomas Jurco in the 2nd round instead of Grimaldi. I know that’s knee jerk but Jurco was the best player on the ice and the Red Wings ended up taking him a couple spots later.

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by Todd Little on Feb 18, 2012 7:07 PM EST up reply actions  

thats the guy i wanted, either him or saad but mainly him because he’s huberdeaus linemate so it could transition well into the nhl

exact quote when Det took him, “The rich get richer”

by Rob PKane McMahon on Feb 18, 2012 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, when I was watching the game I thought maybe he slipped into the first round but then I looked it up and saw Detroit took him after we picked Rocco.

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by Todd Little on Feb 18, 2012 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Canucks up 2-0 / Bolts up 1-0

off to good start on the games that matter tonight.

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by Todd Little on Feb 18, 2012 7:34 PM EST reply actions  

BTW, heres goal highlights of Jones. Pretty goals.

http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/console?hlp=8470877&fr=false

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by RPC on Sep 17, 2011 5:20 PM MDT
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by Chris S Roberts on Feb 18, 2012 7:41 PM EST reply actions  

their goal horn is an actual avalanche warning horn isnt it? if so probably the only thing i like about their team (bitter about 96 still)

by Rob PKane McMahon on Feb 18, 2012 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I followed that lineup pretty hardcore when they were the Nordiques (had a lot of players I liked) but the loss in ’96 but a damper on that.

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by Todd Little on Feb 18, 2012 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

The old one was.

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by Chris S Roberts on Feb 18, 2012 8:01 PM EST up reply actions  

bah that’s so cool.. might seem a bit morbid but I love ominous stuff like that.

Frickin ducks horn is pretty dark too

by Rob PKane McMahon on Feb 18, 2012 8:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I like that Rockies jersey in the crowd.

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by Todd Little on Feb 18, 2012 7:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Chris

are you old enough or been in Colorado long to have seen the Rockies in person?

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by Todd Little on Feb 18, 2012 8:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Nope, before my time

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by Chris S Roberts on Feb 18, 2012 8:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Great logo.

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by Donny Rivette on Feb 18, 2012 8:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Tampa got a 2 (ours in the Versteeg trade) and a 4 for Kubina

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by Todd Little on Feb 18, 2012 7:54 PM EST reply actions  

Another aging blueliner for the Flyers. Big deal.

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by Donny Rivette on Feb 18, 2012 8:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

they now have over 50 guys under contract and need to make another deal.. Nash? Hemsky? anyone?

by Rob PKane McMahon on Feb 18, 2012 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

“As for the asking price for a player of Nash’s caliber? Probably Sean Couturier and Brayden Schenn," Panaccio wrote. "But … it may be something else. It may be James van Riemsdyk, another player, plus goalie Sergei Bobrovsky. Or a high draft pick besides a player. The Flyers don’t want to move Couturier or Schenn, but if I’m Howson, I want both those players.”

by Rob PKane McMahon on Feb 18, 2012 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Hope Phillip gets him, he’s a good guy.

by Rob PKane McMahon on Feb 18, 2012 8:08 PM EST up reply actions  

what would Terence think?

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by Todd Little on Feb 18, 2012 8:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d post a link but I’m gonna keep it classy.

by Rob PKane McMahon on Feb 18, 2012 8:15 PM EST up reply actions  

aging blueliners and the wrong goalie… The Philadelphia Flyers story.

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by Todd Little on Feb 18, 2012 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Did my best to keep Phi contenders out of this. Too easy ;)

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by Donny Rivette on Feb 18, 2012 8:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Of course i typed contenders to no avail

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by Donny Rivette on Feb 18, 2012 8:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Did it again. “Goaltenders”, not contenders. Stupid phone should know that.

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by Donny Rivette on Feb 18, 2012 8:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Liz made the best comparison yesterday about the Flyers’ never ending goaltending issues.. Its kinda like how Spinal Tap keeps going thru drummers. Sorry but that make me laugh so hard!!

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by RPC on Feb 19, 2012 8:58 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s true, though:

1992-93: Ron Hextall traded to Quebec. Replaced by Tommy Soderstrom (44GP) & Dominic Roussel (34GP).
1993-94: Roussel starts 60 games, Soderstrom backs up.
1994-95: Soderstrom traded to the Islanders for Hextall.
1995-96: Hextall plays 56 games, backed up by Garth Snow.
1996-97: Hextall (55GP) & Snow (35GP) lead the Flyers to the SCF where they get swept (where have I heard that before?)
1997-98: Hextall starts. Snow traded to the Canucks for Sean Burke at the trade deadline.
1998-99: Flyers sign John Vanbiesbrouck to start, backed up by Hextall.
1999-2000: Ron Hextall retired rather than get picked by Atlanta in the expansion draft. Brian Boucher backs up Beezer, but steals the starting job in the playoffs.
2000-01: Boucher loses the starting job to Roman Cechmanek.
2001-02: Cechmanek & Boucher platoon. Boucher causes problems when Hitchcock won’t name a playoff starter (it ends up being Cechmanek).
2002-03: Boucher traded for previous season playoff freakout. Goes to Phoenix for Robert Esche, who backs up Cechmanek. Cechmanek freaks out in a playoff game, skating to center ice to scream at the Flyers bench.
2003-04: Cechmanek gets traded to the Kings because of his previous season playoff freakout. Jeff Hackett brought in to start, but forced to retire midseason due to “vertigo.” Sean Burke brought back in from Phoenix to back up/mentor Esche.
2004-05: (a moment of silence)
2005-06: Esche loses the starting job to rookie backup Antero Niittymaki.
2006-07: Niittymaki starts, Esche backs up, but Martin Biron brought in from Sabres at deadline.
2007-08: Biron starts, Niittymaki backs up. Esche plays in the Russian Super League.
2008-09: Biron & Niittymaki make it through an unprecedented second year.
2009-10: Biron & Niittymaki leave as UFAs. Ray Emery and Brian Boucher brought in. Emery is hurt midway through the season, Boucher is promoted to starter and the Flyers trade for Carolina backup Michael Leighton. Both goaltenders spend time injured during the regular season and playoffs, so both are the starter at various times.
2010-11: Leighton re-signs in the summer after a great playoff run, but misses time with a back injury while rookie Sergei Bobrovsky plays his way into the starting role over Brian Boucher. Leighton gets sent to the AHL after he recovers. All three goalies see action in the playoffs.
2011-12: Boucher signs with Carolina, the Flyers bring in Ilya Bryzgalov for too many years and too much money and Bobrovsky backs him up and outplays him.

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by John Beatty on Feb 19, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

John I had to print this for one of my friends. He is a die hard Flyer fan and has been cursing the signing of Bryz since the start. From now on I will refer to them as Flyertap!

I hereby predict Captain Mike Weaver #43 will score 6G 20A -RCR 0G13A 2/13
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by RPC on Feb 19, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

The Richards and Carter trades have worked out, but Holmgren probably would have been better off throwing the Panthers a draft pick for Vokoun’s rights and signing him for two years while Bobrovsky worked up to being a starter than to sign Bryz to that insane deal. Did he learn nothing from the Islanders?

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by John Beatty on Feb 19, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Robert Esche was so cool

I’m putting here for reflection later on in the season…. #14 Tomas [Fleischmann] is getting a 40G season. FLASH COUNT: 19G/25A
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by Chris S Roberts on Feb 19, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he’s still playing in Germany. He was from upstate NY, about 50 miles east of Syracuse. About the only hockey I saw during the lockout was a charity game he held in Utica. My brother and I drove over to see about half the previous year’s Flyers team and a bunch of other active/recently retired NHL guys play an exhibition game. It was the only chance I got to see a lot of those guys play in person, because so many of them retired shortly after the lockout and I didn’t move to an NHL city until late 2006. (JR and Mark Recchi, of course, played a bunch more years).

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by John Beatty on Feb 19, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Ahh, yes, remember when they signed Derian Hatcher? Oof.

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by John Beatty on Feb 19, 2012 9:30 AM EST up reply actions  

I bet Tallon and Dineen would love to have a guy like Downie….depends how much Tampa wants for him. They are rolling him on the top six right now and he’s been scoring, but always finds his way back on the 3rd or 4th line despite playing a defensively sound game. If he doesn’t end up in Fla, I think he will go someplace else before the 2012-2013 season

Zenon Konopka used to play for Dineen, he’s been getting scratched by the hens lately….sure, we got Barch and Bradley, but Zenon is a faceoff beast and will fight anyone

I personally would love to see Carter in FLA…he got a raw deal by Philly and Holmgren, sent to the hell that is Columbus. Don’t be surprised if he comes here after all

Another west coast Panthers fan who misses a good media noche at Verailles

by AnusPresley on Feb 18, 2012 8:34 PM EST reply actions  

How about Vernette or Brassard?

by adam1991 on Feb 18, 2012 8:35 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I’d like to see Caps killer, Raffi Torres on the Panthers. Phoenix may need a salary dump, and torres is known for gritty play and GWG. He does have another year on his contract though.

by Hawkseye on Feb 18, 2012 8:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Yotes are in playoff position and playing well I don’t see them dumping players right now.

111 days until Prometheus

by Todd Little on Feb 18, 2012 11:31 PM EST up reply actions  

They may sincw NHL keeping them afloat right now

by Hawkseye on Feb 19, 2012 3:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

those type of guys are more a possibility for the Panthers than a Carter imo. Don’t see the Panthers giving up what it would take to get a player of that regard.

111 days until Prometheus

by Todd Little on Feb 18, 2012 11:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Same as Bergie, Uppie.

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by Donny Rivette on Feb 19, 2012 12:16 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Thank you Tampa. Also I hope gift shop Greg throws the Panthers a bone

A lil thunder and a lil lightning is what the Cats are going to bring this year.

by trinidaddy on Feb 18, 2012 9:41 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Upshall top six?

Career-high of 34 points? One 20-goal season? Even at his advanced age, Mikael Samuelsson is closer to a top six performer over the course of his career than Upshall including a 50-point year in 2010-11.

by Zim! on Feb 18, 2012 10:40 PM EST reply actions  

Honestly been thinking this allllll along when people were putting him in a top-6 role. +1

by lipsonjeff on Feb 18, 2012 10:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Upshall is only top six on a team like the Panthers who are short on scoring.

111 days until Prometheus

by Todd Little on Feb 18, 2012 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Ultimately, Upshall will be on the third line, I think.

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by John Beatty on Feb 19, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

I just think Tallon needs to make a major move simply because this team is a pretty ugly 5-4-1 in their past 10. And the record is actually giving us a break because I would venture to say that 3 were blowouts, and 3 were to divisional opponents.

Tallon made a statement after that David Booth trade, it made everyone realize to get their collective sh** together, and I think in order to keep that same sense of urgency, another message needs to be sent. Not saying to ship off one of our first line guys, but make a move. Injuries and whatever aside, there’s no excuse for 6-2, 4-0, and 6-3 losses if you consider yourself a playoff team.

by lipsonjeff on Feb 18, 2012 11:14 PM EST reply actions  

I agree with the no excuses for the blow out losses but 5-4-1 isn’t that ugly when it comes to the SE. That’s 3 points better than Washington and only one off what WPG has done in that span. I really think we’ll only see some tinkering at the deadline not a major move. The off season now that could be a different story.

111 days until Prometheus

by Todd Little on Feb 18, 2012 11:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Tallon will never bring in a player with the “character” of Carter.

by LAUSMAN on Feb 19, 2012 10:36 AM EST reply actions  

Trade deadline

When you take a look at the Panthers this year you see a very good beginning to a finish. The Panthers were doing very well the first quarter of the season. Then teams started to them and we had injuries. Many say that injuries are not reasons however in this case they are. This is a team that is rebuilding and when you lose half your forwards that will have a major impact as those called up are no where as good as the Vets we had hurt. The whole Chemistry is off and the skill level is down. Then a goalie goes down and then the defense goes down and then another goalie goes down and it is more then any team that is rebuilding can deal with. Winning teams have 4 lines, we ave 3 most of the time and only one at a time seems to be scoring. We are the tied for the worse in otl loses with 11. If just 5 of them have gone the other way we would have been 9 up when we lost to Washington.We has 72 points last year and have 65 now. If we are lucky and win half that is 12 points for a total of 77. and that is not a playoff number. I like who we have and hope they don’t trade out young players as I like many of them and think they will be a god addition for the team in the future. We go on the road and win two hard fought games, come home and well………we don’t finish.The Panthers were not playoff team to start the season and they certainly aren’t now but I do seem a progress in the core. It took time to get bad, it will take time to get good. I believe in Tallon. He and Santos will get the job done

by JOHN052 on Feb 19, 2012 2:26 PM EST reply actions  

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