Tuesday Caterwaul: Panthers Open Forum
by Donny Rivette on Feb 21, 2012 8:45 AM EST
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"It would be nice to keep everyone here and not having to wholesale guys out or trade your buddies. If we can add a piece here or there without breaking up the group we have, without destroying the chemistry, that would be the best-case scenario."
- Panthers forward Stephen Weiss; more on Florida's options regarding the steadily approaching trade deadline via the Sun-Sentinel/Berardino.
The Eastern Front
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Rank |
Team |
GP |
W |
L |
OT |
PTS |
GF |
GA |
Home |
Away |
L10 |
Streak |
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1 |
NY Rangers |
57 |
38 |
14 |
5 |
81 |
161 |
116 |
19-7-2 |
19-7-3 |
7-2-1 |
Won 1 |
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2 |
Boston |
57 |
35 |
20 |
2 |
72 |
190 |
132 |
18-10-2 |
17-10-0 |
4-6-0 |
Lost 2 |
|
3 |
Florida |
58 |
27 |
20 |
11 |
65 |
144 |
162 |
14-8-7 |
13-12-4 |
5-5-0 |
Lost 3 |
|
4 |
New Jersey |
58 |
34 |
20 |
4 |
72 |
164 |
159 |
16-10-3 |
18-10-1 |
8-1-1 |
Won 3 |
|
5 |
Philadelphia |
58 |
32 |
19 |
7 |
71 |
193 |
177 |
14-10-5 |
18-9-2 |
3-5-2 |
Lost 1 |
|
6 |
Pittsburgh |
59 |
33 |
21 |
5 |
71 |
184 |
160 |
17-8-2 |
16-13-3 |
5-4-1 |
Lost 1 |
|
7 |
Ottawa |
61 |
31 |
22 |
8 |
70 |
185 |
183 |
15-11-3 |
16-11-5 |
4-4-2 |
Won 3 |
|
8 |
Toronto |
59 |
29 |
24 |
6 |
64 |
178 |
180 |
16-9-4 |
13-15-2 |
4-5-1 |
Lost 1 |
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9 |
Winnipeg |
61 |
29 |
26 |
6 |
64 |
153 |
170 |
18-9-2 |
11-17-4 |
6-4-0 |
Won 3 |
|
10 |
Washington |
59 |
29 |
25 |
5 |
63 |
159 |
168 |
19-8-2 |
10-17-3 |
3-6-1 |
Lost 2 |
|
11 |
Tampa Bay |
58 |
26 |
26 |
6 |
58 |
163 |
195 |
17-9-2 |
9-17-4 |
5-3-2 |
Won 2 |
|
12 |
NY Islanders |
59 |
25 |
26 |
8 |
58 |
139 |
174 |
13-14-5 |
12-12-3 |
5-4-1 |
Lost 1 |
|
13 |
Montreal |
60 |
24 |
26 |
10 |
58 |
160 |
164 |
11-13-8 |
13-13-2 |
5-4-1 |
Lost 1 |
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14 |
Buffalo |
59 |
25 |
27 |
7 |
57 |
148 |
175 |
14-11-7 |
11-16-0 |
5-3-2 |
Won 1 |
|
15 |
Carolina |
60 |
23 |
26 |
11 |
57 |
158 |
181 |
16-12-3 |
7-14-8 |
6-2-2 |
Won 1 |
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Why last night rocked:
- CAR over WSH, 5-0; Peters: 17 saves for first NHL shutout. Canes 5-1-2 over last eight
Why last night jonesed:
- OTW over NYI, 6-0; Andy: 28 saves for 19th NHL shutout. Sens have outscored opponents 16-2 in past three games
Panthers Playoff Update:
- FLA did not play; playoff odds down 2.9 to 66.8% per Sports Club Stats (yes it makes sense; click through and hit "Explain")
Why tonight is a Big Deal in SoFla:
Teams FLA needs to lose in bold…
- NJ at TOR (64P), 7 p.m.; five losses and an OT win in past six for Leafs
- PHI at WPG (64P), 7; Jets outscored Flyers 17-13 in 2011-12, can sweep (!) the series with win tonight
Next up for the Cats:
- Thursday at home vs Minnesota; LBC Game Thread goes live at 7
Did you know:
- The Panthers have found themselves in shorthanded situations 174 times in 2011-12, good for third-fewest in the league, so far having allowed 33 goals while scoring 4. Overall Florida is ranked 22nd with an 81% success rate.
Monday’s Organizational News:
- F Matt Bradley out (concussion?); recall coming soon
Monday’s NHL Transactions:
- None
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The Capital’s looked terrible last night. But they will bounce back when Backstrom returns- they got Green back last night but it takes a few games to readjust. The division is there for the taking still and everyone (even Carolina) has a chance. We need more offense and will have to give up something to get it. If we want to go to the playoffs this year we have no choice. Next year we can package another deal when Upshall and Sturm are back or if some of the hotshot rookies make the team and get back what we lose to get some offense now. Garrison (and I hate to lose him) would be desirable even with his contract situation. I doubt Jovo has any value but we have to give up on the defensive side because we aren’t scoring enough. One silver lining of all these injuries is it forced Gudbranson, Ellerby, and Strachan to grow up fast, and maybe we have a player in Yonkman too. I think our defense is adequate- we need more scorers.
Avoided the bullet tonight with the Caps but they play Ottawa on Wednesday so we’re rooting for the Sens tomorrow night.
Seeing Red since 1994.
will be a real shame if the Cats gag up the division this season. Washington is giving them every opportunity.
109 days until Prometheus
by Todd Little on Feb 21, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
Teams with Cap Space for deadline moves
via TSN here
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Mahovlich at Isles/Sens Monday
When Ottawa Senators commentator Denis Potvin suggested Detroit director of pro scouting Mark Howe and Florida Panthers scout Peter Mahovlich were in attendance for Monday’s Sens-Islanders game to eye Isles hulking 6-foot-4, 253-pound defenceman Milan Jurcina, Howe and Mahovlich broke into wry grins while refusing to verbally acknowledge Povin’s suggestion. Potvin later was informed that Isles defenceman Mark Eaton has asked for a trade and likely is in play too.
More on a few other topics here
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Why would we be eyeing more D men? Where are the reports about our scouts being at games where they are watching forwards??
I hereby predict Captain Mike Weaver #43 will score 6G 20A -RCR 0G13A 2/13
Be impeccable with your word, don't take anything personally, don't make assumptions, always do your best...
Why would we be eyeing more D men?
Because there may be an opening for one very soon. As for forwards, rest assured FLA’s crew is out and about.
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by Donny Rivette on Feb 21, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
So you think/saying we would package more than 1 D man to get a forward?
I hereby predict Captain Mike Weaver #43 will score 6G 20A -RCR 0G13A 2/13
Be impeccable with your word, don't take anything personally, don't make assumptions, always do your best...
could be a swap out of a few players from each team involved. Would love if the Panthers could get PA Parenteau in some kind of trade with the Isles.
109 days until Prometheus
by Todd Little on Feb 21, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
McKenzie talks trade targets
Video, via Kukla
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THN's Campbell: Is Nash worth "Superstar return"?
But as we ponder the magnitude of The Rick Nash Sweepstakes™ that could end up with him being traded within the next week, exactly how much culpability for the mess the Blue Jackets have become should be attributed to Nash? He’s the highest-paid and marquee talent on a team that has, for the most part, been terrible. He has never experienced the feeling of winning a playoff game, has never scored 80 points, been a first- or second-team all-star or put up a 50-goal season.
More here
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15 Trades that "Rocked the East"
Here’s a hint:
On the other side, the Panthers did not get any kind of good performance and went on to have several losing seasons.
More from Sportsnet here
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So who does everybody think is on the block with the deadline coming up?
Hockey is a business, only we fans love it as a game.
On the Panthers side of the equation I should specify. Basically who are we open to giving up?
Hockey is a business, only we fans love it as a game.
From the current roster? Likely everyone but Kuli, Guds & probably Versteeg, regardless of his RFA status.
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by Donny Rivette on Feb 21, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
I agree that likely everyone is available for the right price, but i cant see Flash or weiss being moved either. Theres been a lot of talk on here about moving ellerby but i think hes another guy that they should keep.
yeah, they should hold on to those guys unless they move out Weiss’ salary to bring in a total upgrade at center.
Weiss drives me crazy sometimes but he is a good player. think he is being asked to do too much.
109 days until Prometheus
by Todd Little on Feb 21, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t envision them being moved, just saying they’d be available for the right price; Weiss much easier to move given his contract numbers, but no-move clause hampers just about any deal.
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by Donny Rivette on Feb 21, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
I would say Sturm along with others, but I think his career is all but over.
I’m putting here for reflection later on in the season…. #14 Tomas [Fleischmann] is getting a 40G season. FLASH COUNT: 19G/25A
by RPC on Sep 17, 2011 5:20 PM MDT
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by Chris S Roberts on Feb 21, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
When a team like the Panthers lacks first line talent, what they have to do is have second liners and third liners playing on the fourth line. That’s where they can get their mismatches and by rolling four lines it keeps everyone fresh and constant pressure on the opponent. We need another second line type player so that we can have a fourth line with players like Goc and Santorelli, not Madden, Barch or Bradley (or Repik). So, when you can’t have everything, you have to give up a Garrison with his booming shot, or Jovo, or someone on defense because you need the numbers on offense, even if you lose defenseman scoring potential. Unless you can trade an injured player like Sturm or Upshall, which i don’t think there’s a market for.
Santorelli has no future here; he’s either a buyout in the summer or more likely a throw-in on a deal before then.
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by Donny Rivette on Feb 21, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
I think he gets one more season to prove himself, then he’s out of our hands if he cant produce. We got him for nothing, might as well play it out to the end.
I’m putting here for reflection later on in the season…. #14 Tomas [Fleischmann] is getting a 40G season. FLASH COUNT: 19G/25A
by RPC on Sep 17, 2011 5:20 PM MDT
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by Chris S Roberts on Feb 21, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
can’t see anyone taking on Jovo’s contract unless they are ridding themselves of a bigger albatross in the process.
109 days until Prometheus
by Todd Little on Feb 21, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
Cats have no desire to lose Jovo
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by Donny Rivette on Feb 21, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
+1
Thanks Donny. Not too many understand the value of Eddie Jo.
CFS93
by chesterbardo on Feb 21, 2012 2:24 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I think we all understand the value of Jovo, just none of us are thrilled that we are paying him 4+ million for the next few years
Why does it matter what he’s paid if the Panthers are in the bottom third of the league in cap hit? It’s not like the Rangers having to bury Wade Redden in the AHL because they’re paying him $6+ million, which would put them right at the cap ceiling.
"Shut up, Pierre!" -Everyone
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Maybe we can package him with Garrison- that would bring a second liner (but we still need another one). There’s no way we can get a first line player the price would be too steep. But we could improve the team by having more quality offensive players to roll four lines.
I would love to see Garrison traded, honestly. His value will never be higher and he is likely to leave via FA.
by Colt1235 on Feb 21, 2012 10:43 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I’d miss Garribomb, but I agree with you. If Tallon can’t resign him, he’s got to be traded. Probably to a contender that needs D. I don’t see teams out of the race trading for a potential UFA. Sadly, I don’t see teams in the race giving up the top center or scorer that the Panthers need.
I’ll take a player like Stalberg from CHI. Of course we won’t get anything close to a top line center
by Colt1235 on Feb 21, 2012 12:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If we throw in garrison, santorelli, and a prospect and get stalberg and another forward such as Andrew Shaw in return, I’d make that deal.
by lipsonjeff on Feb 21, 2012 12:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If we throw in garrison, santorelli, and a prospect and get stalberg and another forward such as Andrew Shaw in return, I’d make that deal.
by lipsonjeff on Feb 21, 2012 12:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I wouldn’t even need Shaw, I just don’t want another Bouwmeester situation
by Colt1235 on Feb 21, 2012 12:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Stalberg seems young and promising, but he’s as old as garrison and I don’t think is a fair return for the top goal-scoring dman in the nhl this year. His numbers aren’t crazy, and that’s while playing on an offensively talented team. Shaw is young and promising and played well in his callups. If we got both or stalberg and another established forward, I would make the deal. Dave bolland? Dunno.
by lipsonjeff on Feb 21, 2012 12:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And throwing in santorelli and a decent prospect is the part that ensures we get another solid forward
by lipsonjeff on Feb 21, 2012 12:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
We also have much more leverage here than with bouw. Garrison wants to be back, it’s not like everyone knows we have to get rid of him. And his stock is high. I think we have the leverage in dealing garrison.
by lipsonjeff on Feb 21, 2012 12:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Agreed, I’ll take anything in return
I’m putting here for reflection later on in the season…. #14 Tomas [Fleischmann] is getting a 40G season. FLASH COUNT: 19G/25A
by RPC on Sep 17, 2011 5:20 PM MDT
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by Chris S Roberts on Feb 21, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
Whenever you enclose anything with hypens, it’ll strike it. You can check the formatting guide on the “Post New Comment” bar at the bottom of the page
I’m putting here for reflection later on in the season…. #14 Tomas [Fleischmann] is getting a 40G season. FLASH COUNT: 19G/25A
by RPC on Sep 17, 2011 5:20 PM MDT
Find me on Twidduh And look at my Marmots
by Chris S Roberts on Feb 21, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
(not sure why I didnt finish that statement)
…for other formatting stuff
I’m putting here for reflection later on in the season…. #14 Tomas [Fleischmann] is getting a 40G season. FLASH COUNT: 19G/25A
by RPC on Sep 17, 2011 5:20 PM MDT
Find me on Twidduh And look at my Marmots
by Chris S Roberts on Feb 21, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
Q: In terms of untouchables, most would say that list starts with forward Jonathan Huberdeau and goalie Jacob Markstrom. Who else would you consider to be untouchable among your future assets?
A: I’m not going to tell you that. I don’t think that’s any of your business. You can say whatever you want and how you want. That’s something that’s internal. That’s a hockey ops decision, and we’ll just leave it at that. I’m not trying to be smart, but that’s the way we do business. I don’t deal in speculation. I don’t deal in innuendo.
Bernardo’s interview with Tallon..
Gotta love em.
I hereby predict Captain Mike Weaver #43 will score 6G 20A -RCR 0G13A 2/13
Be impeccable with your word, don't take anything personally, don't make assumptions, always do your best...
He’s a real spitfire when it comes to media. I do like that about him.
Hockey is a business, only we fans love it as a game.
The nice thing about Tallon there is he was in broadcasting with the Hawks for a number of years, so has a lot of experience on the other side of the microphone.
"Shut up, Pierre!" -Everyone
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TB just got softer…as if they weren’t soft enough already
I knew they were going to move him, but I didn’t expect it to be CO
Another west coast Panthers fan who misses a good media noche at Verailles
They move Kubina, get picks in the draft, bring in Quincey, a young dman, and move out Downie. Interesting moves by Stevie Y
Isn’t Quincey a RFA?
A lil thunder and a lil lightning is what the Cats are going to bring this year.
At the end of it though, I actually might say COL won it. They have the defensive depth to make up for it and they felt like they could use the grit and production Downie brings.
Spot on, COL can handle the loss
I’m putting here for reflection later on in the season…. #14 Tomas [Fleischmann] is getting a 40G season. FLASH COUNT: 19G/25A
by RPC on Sep 17, 2011 5:20 PM MDT
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by Chris S Roberts on Feb 21, 2012 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
Im going to cry I love Downie
I hereby predict Captain Mike Weaver #43 will score 6G 20A -RCR 0G13A 2/13
Be impeccable with your word, don't take anything personally, don't make assumptions, always do your best...
He’s in a better place now…
I’m putting here for reflection later on in the season…. #14 Tomas [Fleischmann] is getting a 40G season. FLASH COUNT: 19G/25A
by RPC on Sep 17, 2011 5:20 PM MDT
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by Chris S Roberts on Feb 22, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
@TSNBobMcKenzie: I am now hearing TB has traded Kyle Quincey to DET. Working on details but sounds like Quincey to DET for a first-round pick. Verifying.
Steve Diaz
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A late round first, yes…totally worth it. Downie gets attention for being an agitator who sometimes scores goals but he is also an excellent defensive forward who can shut down opposing forwards, especially lord fontelroy types
Another west coast Panthers fan who misses a good media noche at Verailles
No kidding...
@DaveLozo
I really hope the Red Wings trade Kyle Quincey to the Avalanche for Steve Downie.
:(){ :|:& };:
@TSNBobMcKenzie: Confirmed. TB trades Kyle Quincey for DET’s first round pick.
Steve Diaz
Twitter - @sdiaz6215
Wow. Stevie Y just messed with Sherman so hard. Feel bad/good for Quincey though. Sure, he’s happy to now be playing an important role with the best team in the league, but he got traded twice in like 15 minutes lol.
I’m all for you guys concluding Sherman is an idiot(he is) but I still think he made a good move for COL, regardless of what Quincey was worth to DET.
I’m putting here for reflection later on in the season…. #14 Tomas [Fleischmann] is getting a 40G season. FLASH COUNT: 19G/25A
by RPC on Sep 17, 2011 5:20 PM MDT
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by Chris S Roberts on Feb 21, 2012 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
Avs must feel retarded
@RealKyper: Hearing #lightning Quincey to #Redwings for 1st and a prospect. #SNtrade
Steve Diaz
Twitter - @sdiaz6215
Yep
Tampa Bay trades Kyle Quincey to Detroit for 2012 1st and Sebastien Piche.
Steve Diaz
Twitter - @sdiaz6215
And a prospect?! I guess since the next draft is only about 15 players deep Detroit figured their pick wasn’t going to be worth a whole lot anyway, but still…
:(){ :|:& };:
some background on Quincey
John Buccigross @Buccigross
Interesting comments on Quincey from those that know- “big problem in the room. Bad guy. Never liked him.” Detroit must think they can deal.
Kevin Porter @kporter12
@Buccigross Furtherest thing from the truth coming from his roommate. Great guy in and out of the room.
Some people say he was on the bad list for whining. We’ll never know.
I’m putting here for reflection later on in the season…. #14 Tomas [Fleischmann] is getting a 40G season. FLASH COUNT: 19G/25A
by RPC on Sep 17, 2011 5:20 PM MDT
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by Chris S Roberts on Feb 21, 2012 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
Are the Panthers expected to resign Versteeg anytime soon? At all?
I saw somewhere on the web that there were three years left on his contract.
He’s an RFA after this season and word is that talks between his camp and Tallon have heated up as of late, which is good for everyone.
I saw somewhere on the web that there were three years left on his contract.
Obviously this is untrue… seeing the extra years on his contract I bought his jersey >.>
by parallelcircle on Feb 21, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
@Real_ESPNLeBrun: Tampa now has 2 first-rounders, 3 second-round rounders, and another second-rounder in either ‘12 or ’13 at Florida’s option (Kubina)
Steve Diaz
Twitter - @sdiaz6215
Sounds a lot like our draft last year.
Watch Stevie Y trade Levavalier during the draft for a 1st and a roster player, and then make Stamkos the captain for the new era in Tampa. I think that’d be smart of him.
I wish he would go do this somewhere else. Pretty tired of taking a backseat to Tampa in our division/state.
Here’s to their picks being duds.
Steve Diaz
Twitter - @sdiaz6215
If you went to the rookie games earlier this year at Saveology Iceplex you’d see how shallow the Lightning prospect pool is. Florida rookies have looked very good against Tampa’s rookies the past two times the Panthers have done that tournament at Saveology. Point is, they need the picks the same way we did.
Hockey is a business, only we fans love it as a game.
Why wouldn’t he trade Lecavalier during the deadline? Just curious why you think he waits until the draft if he plans to move him.
Hockey is a business, only we fans love it as a game.
At the draft you already know where that 1st round pick lies. At the deadline you’re trading to a team that hopes their pick will be South of 15th. Could potentially be worth more at the draft.
:(){ :|:& };:
agreed.
I’m putting here for reflection later on in the season…. #14 Tomas [Fleischmann] is getting a 40G season. FLASH COUNT: 19G/25A
by RPC on Sep 17, 2011 5:20 PM MDT
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by Chris S Roberts on Feb 21, 2012 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
Why wouldn’t he trade Lecavalier during the deadline?
No movement clause. Anyway, Lecavalier has played his whole career in Tampa, he’s done loads of charity work and integrated himself into the community. He’s never shown any interest in playing anywhere else. Why would they trade him?
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I dont know if Stammer is captain material.
I’m putting here for reflection later on in the season…. #14 Tomas [Fleischmann] is getting a 40G season. FLASH COUNT: 19G/25A
by RPC on Sep 17, 2011 5:20 PM MDT
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by Chris S Roberts on Feb 21, 2012 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
Id rather have Hedman as captain as stammer..
stamkos is slowly becoming more the way ovechkin was. it’s just more quiet then ovi’s transition
by Rob PKane McMahon on Feb 21, 2012 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
Philly just came up big for us.
5-4/OT. Philly tied it in the 3rd with 10 seconds left and scored the OT winner with less than a minute.
IN DALE WE TRUST
#DieJetsDie
I’m putting here for reflection later on in the season…. #14 Tomas [Fleischmann] is getting a 40G season. FLASH COUNT: 19G/25A
by RPC on Sep 17, 2011 5:20 PM MDT
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by Chris S Roberts on Feb 21, 2012 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
Shame about the three point game. Only the Panthers should be involved in three pointers, as far as I’m concerned. The result’s kind of meh, too. The Panthers have four games in hand on the Jets (can I call them the Nyets?). If the Panthers dropped all four they deserve to miss the postseason.
I wish some of the other teams in the hunt would just drop out already and start trading away assets. I want the Panthers to get some scoring without selling the future.
The West is packed up, the East is packed up. Give it one more game, then CAR and EDM might start moving guys. Another two losses and BUF and MTL might follow. I’m surprised TBL shipped out so soon, and so hard.
I’m putting here for reflection later on in the season…. #14 Tomas [Fleischmann] is getting a 40G season. FLASH COUNT: 19G/25A
by RPC on Sep 17, 2011 5:20 PM MDT
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by Chris S Roberts on Feb 21, 2012 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
I’m a little surprised by this too. Not only are they five points out of the playoffs they are five points from being the 3 seed.
Despite the deals they picked up another win so you can’t really question it (for now). Must think that even if they make it they aren’t serious contenders this year.That will work pretty sweet for them if they add for the future and still get into the playoffs.
107 days until Prometheus
I’d normally say the same thing, but considering that the Jets were 11 seconds away from two points I don’t mind seeing the three point game.
IN DALE WE TRUST
by CubanCatsFan on Feb 21, 2012 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
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